Bayonet Busting

[Slamfyre]

This is a video of my sister firing my Norinco M14 with the bayonet on.

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These are closeups of the damage.

I installed the bayonet and ensured it was fully seated before we started firing. There is a lot of front to back play when you put in the bayonet, but at its frontmost position it was still behind the flash hider. Is it that the Nork bayo lug is too short therefore lending itself for a lot of play from the bayo? I honestly cannot envision something like this being "combat ready" -- original Viet Nam M14s and bayos did not perform like these, did they?

You can see the that there are some FH exhaust marks on the bayo muzzle ring. I think the flash hider gases just pushed the loose bayonet enough to dislodge it from its lock, placing it infront of the muzzle. What say ye?

 

[bruce m]

What you pay for is what you get.

 

[northhunt]

^^^ This

 

[Grawfr]

Norinco manufacture tolerances. You're probably right about what happened.

But please teach your sister to take her finger OFF the trigger when she's not aiming at something.

At least the mag was empty when she was waving that muzzle 45 degrees to the left.

 

[Seafury]

And wear a set of shooting glasses as well.

 

[RobertMcC]

I haven't see a bayonet that didnt wiggle on a gun. Theyre meant to be a little loose so they can be put on and taken off in a hurry. I say you shot it.

M14 are not Mosins where you need to shoot with the bayonet to have them shoot better.

And wear a set of shooting glasses as well.

What he said...Eye glasses are NOT shooting glasses.

All those marks on my face/nose is from casing hitting me.

 

[Expendable Nate]

Awesome barrel control. I have always found all bayonets have a little play. That being said that's a little to much.

 

[Slamfyre]

M14 are not Mosins where you need to shoot with the bayonet to have them shoot better.

Need is a strong word. There's a lot of things I don't need to do yet I still do them. I would have thought that there wouldn't be much issue shooting it with a bayonet. At most it might alter accuracy somewhat. These things were intended to be used on select fire M14s with a 20rnd magazine. I would have expected it to be reliable enough to withstand a full auto 20 round mag dump without flying away. Having it fly out after 4 or 5 rounds of slow fire is, to say the least, unexpected. Lesson learned, don't shoot this Norinco flash hider with a bayonet.

 

[Can-down]

Norinco manufacture tolerances. You're probably right about what happened.

But please teach your sister to take her finger OFF the trigger when she's not aiming at something.

At least the mag was empty when she was waving that muzzle 45 degrees to the left.

Was there a different video?
Looks like she's doing fine minus the glasses.

 

[Can-down]

Need is a strong word. There's a lot of things I don't need to do yet I still do them. I would have thought that there wouldn't be much issue shooting it with a bayonet. At most it might alter accuracy somewhat. These things were intended to be used on select fire M14s with a 20rnd magazine. I would have expected it to be reliable enough to withstand a full auto 20 round mag dump without flying away. Having it fly out after 4 or 5 rounds of slow fire is, to say the least, unexpected. Lesson learned, don't shoot this Norinco flash hider with a bayonet.

You've got a Chinese clone rifle and a US bayonet. Maybe before, and obviously after, you should have examined and improved the poor fit between the two items.

 

[kodiakjack]

And you thought it was loose fitting BEFORE she shot it, lol.

 

[Slamfyre]

You've got a Chinese clone rifle and a US bayonet. Maybe before, and obviously after, you should have examined and improved the poor fit between the two items.

This is the one and only bayonet M14 combination I have ever had in my hands. I have no frame of reference to determine what is too loose or adequately tight. After I got the bayonet from ebay, I took it apart, inspected all the entrails, lubricated it and everything seemed to be sound. As I wrote before, it does have considerable play, but even at it most forward position, the barrel hole of the bayonet is still completely behind the flash hider edge.

My grandfather had a Mauser and a Mauser bayonet, but the rifle was sporterized before I was born. Thus I lost the chance to see how a Mauser bayonet fits. I've handled SKS with folding bayonets at the gun store, but you can't really derive a frame of reference from an SKS folder to an M14.

There are things we do not know we don't know. So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns. And each year, we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns.

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There's only one video about the incident and it has not been edited in any way since it was first posted. I did edit out our conversation with music before posting here -- excuse the hokey youtube provided free music

 

[7.62Nato]

You should not be having casings hitting your forehead and nose with an M305 when using proper shooting technique......either that or something is really wrong with your ejection angle.

With the way the bayonet mounts on the lug, there is no way it would go any further forward when properly installed even with play. It should be locked in the back and no way should it be able to move far enough forward unless it unlatched itself. If it has enough play to go forward of the FH, then its really out of specs.

 

[RobertMcC]

You should not be having casings hitting your forehead and nose with an M305 when using proper shooting technique......either that or something is really wrong with your ejection angle.

With the way the bayonet mounts on the lug, there is no way it would go any further forward when properly installed even with play. It should be locked in the back and no way should it be able to move far enough forward unless it unlatched itself. If it has enough play to go forward of the FH, then its really out of specs.

No I was emphasizing the sufficient of wearing safety glasses. Using another example. #### doesn't always goes as planed. Clearly someone hasn't played with explosives...

 

[Can-down]

This is the one and only bayonet M14 combination I have ever had in my hands. I have no frame of reference to determine what is too loose or adequately tight. After I got the bayonet from ebay, I took it apart, inspected all the entrails, lubricated it and everything seemed to be sound. As I wrote before, it does have considerable play, but even at it most forward position, the barrel hole of the bayonet is still completely behind the flash hider edge.

My grandfather had a Mauser and a Mauser bayonet, but the rifle was sporterized before I was born. Thus I lost the chance to see how a Mauser bayonet fits. I've handled SKS with folding bayonets at the gun store, but you can't really derive a frame of reference from an SKS folder to an M14.

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There's only one video about the incident and it has not been edited in any way since it was first posted. I did edit out our conversation with music before posting here -- excuse the hokey youtube provided free music

Live and learn eh.... it would be pretty boring otherwise.

 

[Slamfyre]

It does not have enough play to go forward of the FH. From the video it looks like the first shot went perfectly fine. Second shot seems to have unlatched it to go forward of the FH but still lining up the hole with the muzzle. Third shot pushed it forward even more to the point of it no longer being lined up with the muzzle. And the fourth did the deed. We were lucky nothing fragmented towards us. All in all, it's not a big deal. I initially thought about buying another bayonet from Fulton, but then I desisted. If I got a new one, I wouldn't be shooting with it anyway any more. And the bayonet with the extra hole still fits good enough to make nice pictures (see image below). I also thought about hammering the hilt back into shape as much as possible, but again decided against it. The untouched extra hole makes for a nice conversation piece.

 

[Grawfr]

Was there a different video?
Looks like she's doing fine minus the glasses.

Heya Can-Down, look at 0:20 after the third shot when she bring the rifle downward? Finger seemed to stay inside the guard. She's got dark gloves, perhaps it threw me off. Don't think so, though.

As for the glasses... I wear prescription glasses (I think the lenses are poly-carbonate or some such plastic) and take my chances with them. Mind you, all of my weapons are right-side ejection, so I'm never in line of sight to the chamber.

 

[Seafury]

It does not have enough play to go forward of the FH. From the video it looks like the first shot went perfectly fine. Second shot seems to have unlatched it to go forward of the FH but still lining up the hole with the muzzle. Third shot pushed it forward even more to the point of it no longer being lined up with the muzzle. And the fourth did the deed. We were lucky nothing fragmented towards us. All in all, it's not a big deal. I initially thought about buying another bayonet from Fulton, but then I desisted. If I got a new one, I wouldn't be shooting with it anyway any more. And the bayonet with the extra hole still fits good enough to make nice pictures (see image below). I also thought about hammering the hilt back into shape as much as possible, but again decided against it. The untouched extra hole makes for a nice conversation piece.

Being of smaller stature one could see her struggle with the weight of the firearm. Adding the better part of a pound of weight to the extreme end did not help and served no purpose at all. I have bayonets and have never fired a single round with one attached. To me it is a collectors item, I like to have all the accessories. Perhaps the intent was to empty the mag and charge the target. It does not portray a very positive image of shooters who shouldn't want to be seen by the general public as Rambo wannabes. Fud out.

 

[Dake21]

Keep in mind the Chinese are using the metric system and the Americans the imperial system. It doesn't always fit together. On the video you can see the bayonet moving forward after each shots.

 

[Can-down]

Heya Can-Down, look at 0:20 after the third shot when she bring the rifle downward? Finger seemed to stay inside the guard. She's got dark gloves, perhaps it threw me off. Don't think so, though.

As for the glasses... I wear prescription glasses (I think the lenses are poly-carbonate or some such plastic) and take my chances with them. Mind you, all of my weapons are right-side ejection, so I'm never in line of sight to the chamber.

I was looking pretty hard and the black on black is hard to see..... defintely don't see a clear finger on the trigger and when she goes to take the next shot it appears she is re engaging the trigger which suggests the finger had left the trigger area to me..... hard to tell but without better evidence I'm going to give here the benefit of the doubt.
Looked pretty safe all in all considering the struggle to support the gun.