BC LEH 2015 draw results availlable online NOW *pg7
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Ardent
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Keep it simple, you can put in for anything in your region with "favoured / +50%" odds. Just stick to the current regions, keep it simple. You can still win elsewhere but 50% lower odds outside your zone.
No, actually it's common sense and would fix a lot of problems.
Come on guys .. really .. REALLY!! Preferred odds in your region! What a complete load of steaming stinking crap. Listen to yourselves divide the hunting community, create more ways for people to fight over OUR RESOURCES not YOUR resources. This is just wrong on so many levels that I don't know where to start. Are you not the same people clambering for ONE Canada, no special treatment for Natives etc. etc. and yet with this you want to slice and dice based on geographic location?? Crazy, how you going to monitor this, who is going to monitor this and just how would you expect the CO's to enforce it all.
PS - The BCWF is the voice and is effective .. are you even involved?
PS - The BCWF is the voice and is effective .. are you even involved?
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Really, and it also really makes sense. Not "no" odds for non-region residents, just preferred odds for those spending their money, and living and working in the region in question. As stated previously it would drastically improve LEH tag filling and nip numerous challenges the current system poses in the bud. This isn't radical thinking, a 50% odds preference to locals is simply sound reasoning.
So many assumptions LOL
I'm aboriginal and I buy licences, LEH tags ect ect
And no.... BCWF has proven to be a pretty damn innefectual lobby group for resident hunters. I have. Unfortunately, been a member since the 80's iirc.
Some here may remember the very controversial and pro resident fishing/hunting voice of the Berry's BaitnTackle fishin report and regulation hotline from a decade ago and before... That was me LOL and I'm sure the BCWF remembers LOL
It makes NO SENSE what so ever, just because you have a resident address in a region (and may not live there .. rental house etc.) you should be given a greater opportunity to hunt in that region? How does make sense .. Personally .. if I were as greedy as you sound, it would appeal to me because MOST of the hunters are in the lower mainland (numbers wise) and the Island, so get stuffed and stay out of Region 5 .. OK, you can come here but only at reduced odds .. that makes sense to you people??
Fair is fair, everyone has an equal opportunity for all areas, period! Your odds are reduced if you have a won an LEH in the last three years, that makes sense.
45ACP, so your FN's and pay your way, congrats! As for the BCWF's track record at representing resident hunters and anglers, it speaks for itself if you care to look into what has been done. Name me one org that even comes close in member numbers and can represent BC hunters and anglers the way the BCWF does??? They are the choice, they have a seat at the big table and they do get results, get on board and start rowing.
Fair is fair, everyone has an equal opportunity for all areas, period! Your odds are reduced if you have a won an LEH in the last three years, that makes sense.
45ACP, so your FN's and pay your way, congrats! As for the BCWF's track record at representing resident hunters and anglers, it speaks for itself if you care to look into what has been done. Name me one org that even comes close in member numbers and can represent BC hunters and anglers the way the BCWF does??? They are the choice, they have a seat at the big table and they do get results, get on board and start rowing.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Should Québécois hunters have equal opportunity for our hunts in BC too? We're all one country, right? 
We all clearly draw lines, I've placed my preferences closer to home than yours. You're trying to paint my opinion as extremist, it's not, it's very moderate and I still believe province wide individuals should have the opportunity to submit for draws. But not at the same priority as when a guy's been watching the game for ten years in his proverbial backyard, owns the jet boat or the horses because he plays where he lives, and hasn't received a draw. It's a bit ridiculous to see such staunch opposition to a locals odds boost- and I repeat, NOT shut out of those from other regions. Our system will change. It's a free for all right now and few would argue it's even close to the best method, this is one of the proposals and my favourite.
We all clearly draw lines, I've placed my preferences closer to home than yours. You're trying to paint my opinion as extremist, it's not, it's very moderate and I still believe province wide individuals should have the opportunity to submit for draws. But not at the same priority as when a guy's been watching the game for ten years in his proverbial backyard, owns the jet boat or the horses because he plays where he lives, and hasn't received a draw. It's a bit ridiculous to see such staunch opposition to a locals odds boost- and I repeat, NOT shut out of those from other regions. Our system will change. It's a free for all right now and few would argue it's even close to the best method, this is one of the proposals and my favourite.TPK, I have been a vocal activist in BC sportfishing for 30 years.
It was me who provided hours of video of illegal FN and NON FN fisheries in lower fraser systems in the early 2000's to DFO, BCWF and media.
None of the footage made it to the public... I put that soley on BCWF.
Yet every year, I do my part as I always have.
Chilliwack river clean ups, brood stock fishing on many threatened waterways, and I could go on and on and on about the things "I" have done.
Yet you assume otherwise throughout your post LOL
Crap, I've probably done more to save salmon and steelhead on a personal level that most folks in the BCWF general membership. I've also taken part in a great many events from steelhead society, salmon society, big horn sheep and again I could go on.
What have you done sir?
It was me who provided hours of video of illegal FN and NON FN fisheries in lower fraser systems in the early 2000's to DFO, BCWF and media.
None of the footage made it to the public... I put that soley on BCWF.
Yet every year, I do my part as I always have.
Chilliwack river clean ups, brood stock fishing on many threatened waterways, and I could go on and on and on about the things "I" have done.
Yet you assume otherwise throughout your post LOL
Crap, I've probably done more to save salmon and steelhead on a personal level that most folks in the BCWF general membership. I've also taken part in a great many events from steelhead society, salmon society, big horn sheep and again I could go on.
What have you done sir?
Not as much as you but I'm working on it ! That's all great but I don't understand your stand with regards to the BCWF ... as involved as you are surely you know what good they do? So they didn't work out well for your specific "needs" or how ever you want to look at it, but the track record of what they have done and continue to do for resident hunters and anglers is very long. My assumptions are often wrong and I take responsibility for that but in this case .. what assumptions did you see? I see me asking questions .. and receiving very little in the way of answers.
Should Québécois hunters have equal opportunity for our hunts in BC too? We're all one country, right?
ABSOLUTELY 100% yes, any Canadian should have equal opportunity with our Nations fish and game in all of our Provinces and Territories. We do honour out of Province hunter cards for this purpose. I've seen successful "Out of Province" (hosted) hunts here in my backyard and wouldn't want anything to alter that amazing opportunity for people. The pride and joy of hosting a relative from across the Country on a successful hunt is something that is just amazing!
You have no more right than a Quebecois to that animal walking in your back yard. Instead of arguing over who gets better odds on LEH hunts like a bunch of selfish children, the focus should be on game management not hunter management.
So other than you are unlucky (and that is a BIG problem with our current system, it's honest, and if you're un-lucky, you don't get drawn) what is unfair about it? The odds are published, you take your chances and hope for the best, same as everyone else, and next year .. guess what, you do it again and have the same odds as everyone else.. again. If drawn you are at reduced odds for three years but you still have a chance! That is fair.
Changes do need to be made.Why did it take me 14 years to get a moose draw in an area that is only 4-1 odds,when others I know got 2 or 3 in that same time.
Hunts that are sought after like Vancouver island elk and sheep draws should be made fair.If you are drawn you should not be allowed to enter again for 10 years.There are people that have been drawn multiple times for island elk and some that have never been drawn yet have been entering since the limited entries started.
I know that if I am lucky enough to get drawn for an island elk I will consider it a once in a lifetime chance and probably won`t enter again.
Hunts that are sought after like Vancouver island elk and sheep draws should be made fair.If you are drawn you should not be allowed to enter again for 10 years.There are people that have been drawn multiple times for island elk and some that have never been drawn yet have been entering since the limited entries started.
I know that if I am lucky enough to get drawn for an island elk I will consider it a once in a lifetime chance and probably won`t enter again.
Can't disagree more. We are ALL BC hunters and we ALL should have the same opportunity to hunt ANYWHERE in BC. I don't begrudge Vancouver/Chilliwack hunters that get an LEH hunt in my part of BC, I actually will help them.
This conspiracy goes back forever, and I'm sure that some PETA types have engaged in it, but if they draw a tag and don't use it, eventually more tags are released, negating their silly efforts.
LEH is managed so that they expect some people will not hunt. Tags are released with that in mind.
It's nonsense. People coming from OUT of region will spend money IN the region, thereby helping the economy in small towns.
Filling tags is not a priority with LEH. LEH is about managing hunters, so that there is not an OVER HARVEST. Increasing the harvest (filling tags) will result in fewer LEH authorizations. Increasing hunter success due to local knowledge will mean less draws are allocated and less money is brought into local economies.
I think he was talking about our Permit to Accompany permits, allowing BC hunters to sponsor other Canadians to come here to hunt with BC residents. GOABC has long tried to extinguish the PTA permits, as they want EVERYONE that is not a BC resident to be forced to hire an outfitter. GOABC doesn't want a BC resident to be able to take his non BC resident brother, father, uncle, friend, cousin, brother in law, sister, sister in law, mother, etc out hunting in BC at all. GOABC wants EVERYONE that is a non resident to buy a guided hunt, period.
I don't think he was suggesting that someone out of province should just come and buy a HL and go hunting here. I know for a fact that the BCWF is not endorsing anything other than the existing PTA. And I'm just a BCWF member, not a spokesman.
I understand your frustration, I feel it too...but there is no more fair system than a complete lottery.
