BC trades away outdoor recreation rights to continue industrial encroachment

Long since past the date when the new Regs should have been out.

Questions going unanswered.

A bit of a hint was just posted on the BC Hunting FB site:

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/therealbchuntingandfishing/
 
This just in:

May 12, 2022

Sean Olmstead, President
Scott Ellis, Executive Director and CEO
Guide Outfitters Association of British Columbia
103-19140 28th Avenue
Surrey, British Columbia V3Z 6M3

Dear Sean Olmstead and Scott Ellis:

Thank you for your letters of March 11, 2022, and March 28, 2022, regarding the Peace Region hunting regulation change proposals that had been open for public engagement. The Province of British Columbia appreciates the efforts made by guide outfitters in advancing reconciliation with Indigenous Nations, and the contributions made by guide outfitting in generating economic activity for our rural and remote areas.

The engagement process has now concluded, and we are preparing for a decision which will be finalized shortly. I am aware of the operational challenges your members are facing in the interim. Please appreciate that this complex work is part of meaningful reconciliation with Treaty 8 First Nations and we are ensuring they have input into wildlife management decisions on their traditional territory.

The hunting regulation changes are an interim measure and part of a broader package of actions to improve wildlife stewardship, uphold Treaty rights, and enhance habitat conservation. Over the next two years, the Province and the Treaty 8 First Nations will work together to develop an approach to wildlife co-management that improves our shared understanding and management of the wildlife resources in a manner consistent with the Together for Wildlife Strategy.

Thank you for your continued engagement with David Skerik, Director, Strategic Initiatives, on this file; we are grateful for your input. If you have further information to share, please email David.Skerik@gov.bc.ca.

Again, thank you for writing to share your concerns.


Sincerely,
Katrine Conroy Minister
Ministry of Forests Office of the Minister Mailing Address:
PO Box 9049 Stn Prov Govt
Victoria, BC V8W 9E2
Tel: 250 387-6240
Fax: 250 387-1040
Website: www.gov.bc.ca/for

pc: Honourable John Horgan, Province of British Columbia
Mike Hykaway, A/Assistant Deputy Minister, North Area, Ministry of Forests
David Skerik, Director, Strategic Initiatives, Northeast Region, Ministry of Forests

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LEH applications are usually due in under 2 weeks, and they still haven't released anything. Kinda sounds like that might not happen till July now??
 
what a total load of absolute Bullsh!t from the Ministry.
She is outright lying to you and carrying on with John Horgan's deception of the public.

These decisions and delays have ZERO to do with Treaty 8 indigenous people. The Blueberry band made that crystal clear in a public response to this deception by John Horgan's greasy NDP
 
And don't ya just love how in the first paragraph they mention reconciliation with Indigenous Nations but later they only speak about First Nations..... there is a sneaky difference here that is major if you are Metis.
Metis compromise the majority of Treaty 8 stake holders but yet again the ongoing practice by ALL BC governments past and present is to ignore not only Resident Hunter's but all BC's long established and some historical Metis territories..... Treaty 8 being one of them.

The BC NDP are in violation of sect 35 of the constitution as it pertains to their refusal to consult with ALL treaty 8 stake holders. I am not a treaty 8 metis (treaty 6) but I do know that there are a a whole lot of Metis voters from Fort Saint James east to the alberta border that are none to pleased with this current situation.
It is a blatant F.You to BC's Resident and Metis hunters
 
There are no Métis signatories to treaty eight. Salteau are arguably Métis but would not be too pleased with that label. Treaty 8 encompasses a large swathe of dunne za and cree groups. Not only are your ramblings counter factual they are disrespectful to these groups

Living in treaty 8 or treaty 6 territory no more makes you a treaty 6 Métis than living in treaty 8 territory makes me a treaty 8 Irishman. This status is reserved for the recorded descendants of those who signed these treaties.

Amazing how blueberry are our friends and didn’t do a backroom deal now when I got crucified for saying that a few months ago.
 
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conor_90 said:
There are no Métis signatories to treaty eight. Salteau are arguably Métis but would not be too pleased with that label. Treaty 8 encompasses a large swathe of dunne za and cree groups. Not only are your ramblings counter factual they are disrespectful to these groups

Living in treaty 8 or treaty 6 territory no more makes you a treaty 6 Métis than living in treaty 8 territory makes me a treaty 8 Irishman. This status is reserved for the recorded descendants of those who signed these treaties.

Amazing how blueberry are our friends and didn’t do a backroom deal now when I got crucified for saying that a few months ago.
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None that we can google or wiki search but history tells a different story.

Métis were on the Pacific Slope well before the exertion of government control around 1858. They were also recognized by the Federal government as having a rights bearing community in the Fort St. John area, evidenced by the fact that the area was included in the Half-breed Commission associated with Treaty 8. The Métis in BC were both connected to historic Métis families and also to the Mixed Aboriginal communities that developed in BC during the colonial era. The Métis built their influence in this province to a point where they were in positions of political power. However, European newcomers and their discriminatory attitudes, in addition to a hostile legal regime in BC, forced the Métis underground but it did not extinguish our culture, history or social structures.
Metis have claim to rights in BC treaty 8 lands but BC , regardless of governement, has always resisted this recognition.
The evidence in association to Treaty 8 is that "headmen" were included and Headmen were a crown term used for leaders or "chiefs" of Metis settlement.
Heck the Iroqouis were even found settled in BC in the 1800's and back in those days the "police" for the crown on Vancouver Island were Metis.
Metis have a rich history in British Columbia that has been swept under the rug by the crown and provincial governments as well as afew First Nations groups for a few generations now.

Regardless.... I have no claim in Treaty 8 lands but my Dad is a direct descendant of Chief Little Hunter of the Saddle Lake Cree Nation and his name is signed on the historical document that is treaty 6.
 
Yes my knowledge comes solely from google and Wikipedia lmfao

If Métis were included in treaty 8 (besides salteau, who are the ones your half truths are likely referring to) why aren’t there any as signatories of the treaty? It’s not secret knowledge who signed treaty 8.

Iroquois settlements in the 1800’s, “pacific slope” Métis communities before colonial control, the BC government conspiracy to not recognize the secret Métis signing of treaty eight. You can’t “find it on google or Wikipedia” for a reason, sounds like an episode of ancient aliens. Puff, puff, puff.

I understand it behooves the “ BC Métis nation” to rewrite history so their self identified members can make rights claims but at least try to conform to reality a little. No doubt there are Métis people in BC treaty 8 territory but their history does not extend to before the red river rebellion and they are not (with the exception of salteau, again a controversial statement) signatories of treaty 8.

I don’t know what you think the half breed commission was but it was a committee to scrip; you were either a treaty signatory or a Métis recipient of script.

I agree though; the Métis people of Canada were done a dis service by our government and deserve a chance to re negotiate their rights; it does not mean they are in any way associated with treaties, treaty rights or harvesting rights or land tenure under our current system though…

Again I encourage you if you are so confident to attempt to pass the Powley test in your traditional BC treaty 6 Métis territory :dancingbanana:
 
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Changes to hunting regulations support reconciliation, wildlife stewardship

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022FOR0033-000792

"These decisions were informed by extensive engagement with the public, First Nations, the Guide Outfitters Association of British Columbia and the BC Wildlife Federation. "

All but one of which told them NO DAMN WAY!!

What a load of pure bovine excrement!!!

Nog
 
B.C. turns its back on science with changes to wildlife management

The government of British Columbia has abandoned science-based wildlife with its decision to curtail hunting in the Peace-Liard region.

Caribou hunting will be banned and moose hunting severely curtailed over roughly 22 per cent of the province under new regulations released this week.

What the government press release omits is that B.C. has also negotiated a deal that will see 195 forestry, oil and gas projects proceed in the traditional territory of the Blueberry River First Nation. Another 20 industrial projects in Blueberry territory are still up for negotiation.

The new regulation is a direct response to last year’s Yahey v British Columbia decision by the B.C. Supreme Court, which ruled that the Treaty 8 rights of the Blueberry First Nation had been infringed by the cumulative impacts of industrial development.

​“The government has allowed Treaty 8 territories to be damaged by industrial development, but rather than address that problem, B.C. has opted to imposed hunting regulations that have no basis in science,” said B.C. Wildlife Federation Executive Director Jesse Zeman.

https://bcwf.bc.ca/b-c-turns-its-back-on-science-with-changes-to-wildlife-management/
 
B.C. makes contentious change to moose, caribou hunt in northeast

B.C. has made sweeping changes to moose and caribou hunts in the Peace Region, a move that has the support of some local First Nations while hunting groups are firmly opposed.

On Thursday, the province announced it would close all caribou hunts in the northeast region of the province while making broad changes to the moose hunting season, including the closure of the hunt during August for at least one year.

However, conservationists and members of the hunting community who have been firmly opposed to the changes since they were proposed months ago said the province's decision is a substantial overstep that could put guide outfitters out of business.

Jesse Zeman, executive director with the B.C. Wildlife Federation, says the regulations are too broad and don't adequately address issues raised in the supreme court ruling about the "cumulative effects" of industrial development.

"The province has made these changes across the entire region, including places where there are no cumulative effects," said Zeman, noting that the rules will apply to extremely remote hunting locations only accessible by float plane or horse back.

"Rather than dealing with issues around cumulative effects — oil and gas, logging, Site C — instead, they said we're just going to get resident hunters out of this area," he added.

Advocacy group the B.C. Backcountry Hunters and Anglers said the changes are misaligned with B.C.'s own current wildlife data, which "show an abundant moose population in the region and a sustainable harvest rate for both moose and caribou."

"Science is not playing a role in the outcome of wildlife conservation in B.C.," said Zeman. "The province has nuked significant parts of the landscape in the Peace."

"Hunting regulations are not going to fix these problems," he added.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b-c-makes-contentious-change-to-moose-caribou-hunt-in-northeast/ar-AAXEHoJ
 
I just now received some very grim news.
The folks that I had been working with on this file have decided not to pursue the matter legally.
They cited several reasons, the foremost being they believe the case is not winnable.

I am beyond frustrated at this point.

If anyone has any other options or ideas I would be all ears.
More than willing to throw what I can in terms of time & energy towards getting this BS overturned.

Really REALLY Bummed Out!
Nog
 
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