BCL 102 in 45 Raptor

Curtis264 said:
I have been asking BCL for info on getting a .338 Federal barrel, they have not responded at all
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The easiest way to a heavier calibre in this case, would be to take the barrel of a BCL102 to a gunsmith and have them drill it out and cut new rifling to take .338 Federal, or even .358 Winchester. I am not sure what that would do to the buffer system though. Might need heavier springs, or an adjustable gas block.
 
I'd love to see the BCL 102 come out in .45 Raptor, I actually sent NEA an email months ago suggesting this. Since I expect many people will be using the 102 as their new hunting rifle, .45 Raptor would be a fantastic hunting caliber.
 
JaredP said:
.45 Raptor is an ITAR controlled calibre, and components, reamers, and barrels are prohibited from export from the USA.

I agree it would be very cool. You can use commonly available 460 S&W dies. You can make brass by just cutting off 30-06. Very cheap and easy to reload.

Then you have 65,000 PSI behind a 240gr .45 slug at 2650 FPS, with close to 300 win mag muzzle energy, out of a semi auto.
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JaredP said:
It's not an ITAR "regulated" product. It is prohibited from export by ITAR, because it is considered defense technology.

It is impossible to export legally. Just like US made suppressors. No amount of money can get those across the border. Ask any LEO supplier why they need to get their suppressors from Europe.
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I didnt know much about this round so I did a search. http://www.45raptor.com/45RAPTOR/
You are correct about using regular 460 S&W dies, along with a .308/.30-06 type shellholder.
But if .45 cal barrel blanks and .460 S&W reamers can be exported, how can the new round be so tightly controlled?
 
tootall said:
I didnt know much about this round so I did a search. http://www.45raptor.com/45RAPTOR/
You are correct about using regular 460 S&W dies, along with a .308/.30-06 type shellholder.
But if .45 cal barrel blanks and .460 S&W reamers can be exported, how can the new round be so tightly controlled?
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It's really not. You can machine whatever barrel you want really. You just won't be able to get brass, but you can easily make it with 308 of 30-06. It would be a great calibre for a reloader, and I fully intend to make an upper in this calibre when parts are more readily available.
 
After a bit more reading, it seems that the freebore is somewhat different between the Raptor and the 460 S&W.
http://www.45raptor.com/45RAPTOR/faq/

Question – Does the 45 Raptor chamber match the 460 SMITH & WESSON MAGNUM SAAMI specified chamber dimensions?

Answer – No, beyond changing from a rimmed to a rimless design that head-spaces off the case mouth, additional clearances were incorporated into the 45 RAPTOR chamber given its intended use in a semi-automatic rifle. In addition, the throat design has increased freebore and a shallower lead angle than the 460 SMITH & WESSON MAGNUM SAAMI specified chamber dimensions.
 
If they make one in either 450 or 375 Raptor I will definitely be buy one or I can settle for 338 Federal.

Know someone already rebarrel his to 6.5 cm so it's highly possible.
 
I wanted to do a 358 version of the raptor essentially a 358 winchester AI. I think that cartridge would be the felines behind. Redding dies on ebay for that one right now....
 
Improving the 358 win won't net you many performance gains, would so the standard decrease in brass flow, but do you really want to do all that fiddling around just to have a semi chew up and chuck brass anyway. Standard 358 win would be fine. Of course thats your time and money reloading so whatever floats your boat.

For guys into running expensive brass and such, is there a compatible brass catcher?
 
Sorry to dig up an old thread...

Gentlemen... I've poked the bear so to speak... I spoke with a friend about the 375 raptor cartridge and he fell in love with it..
There is a 375 raptor reamer in the hands of an Alberta gunsmith... The only issue being had at the moment is dies are needing to be custom built for the 375... I fired what I believe is among the first rifles (a bolt action) in Canada chambered in 375 Raptor this afternoon.

And a site sponsor I just noticed has 45 Raptor starline brass "special order" listed on his site...

These cartridges are attainable in Canada ITAR be damned...
 
45 raptor turns out to be a really niche cartridge designed to adhere to an ohio law that prevents hunting with centrefire cartridges with a case length greater than 1.8"

as a result, 45 raptor has an overall length of just 2.3", the AR10 action length is of course 2.8". For reference, the 450 bushmaster in the AR15 is only 70 thou shorter than the raptor, albeit at lower pressure.

this short cartridge requires modified magazines as well, to block the cartridge from sliding around in the mag and provide an initial feed ramp.

if you want to shoot 452 in an AR10, it would be best to take a 284 win (the parent of 450 bushmaster), and blow out the walls in a custom chamber (.500 base, .476 neck, 2.2 case, 2.8 OAL).

the resulting cartridge would be balistically close to 458 win mag. 80gr case capacity @ 60k PSI.

I plan to pursuit this wildcat eventually, but not really sure where to begin in getting a wildcat chamber made.
 
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