BCL 102 questions for owners (for my own confusion)

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I really want to get on the BCL 102 wagon (fde of course), but im not sure what "role" i would like it to fill. so i have a couple of questions for you owners of the BCL 102.

#1 what are you using your BCL 102 for? example are you using it like and AR15 or like a x95 type rifle OR are you using it as say a "hunting rifle" where you are shooting 300-500 yards or are you even thinking of building a sort of "sniper" or precision type platform?

#2 What are you guys using for optics? in any of the above situations!!! red dot sight? red dot and magnifier? rifle scope?


i know a lot of you like roasting guys with kinda basic questions, but im seriously interested in your answers!!!

SFRC if you feel like jumping into the conversation it would be awesome!!!!

thanks guys in advance!!!!
 
Don't buy a 102, BCL still has issues with their quality control and lots of guys are still having problems with their brand new rifles.

What role? what a weird question. It's a non restricted semi auto 308, it does whatever you want it to do, can you afford to blast 308 all afternoon?
 
Hunting. And the optic is a Bushnell Elite 6500 1.25-8x32 in a GG&G 35M QD mount.

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Who are these people? We’ve been shipping 75-100 guns a week for a while now and no one is calling me with issues that aren’t fixed with some lubrication or familiarizing them with the platform. I hardly see people posting anymore.

Ryan

Don't buy a 102, BCL still has issues with their quality control and lots of guys are still having problems with their brand new rifles.

What role? what a weird question. It's a non restricted semi auto 308, it does whatever you want it to do, can you afford to blast 308 all afternoon?
 
It is NR so how you use it is up to you, not what the law tells you. As to what role it plays it will be up to you, it can do it all, except for a cheap blaster since .308 isn't exactly cheap compare to .223 or 7.62x39. Optics wise depends on your eyes sight, with a LR capable round like the .308 you will want to try shoot long at some point.
 
Mine is becoming a SAPR, I have many 5.56 for "cheap" blasting with red dots or low mag scopes, I dont see any advantage in using a heavier caliber gun for these purposes. .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor in the DI system lends itself to mid - long range accuracy when built with quality components.
 
I do not have a BCL 102 as of yet but i do plan on buying a receiver set once time and money allow and as such i have spent a decent amount of time figuring out what i would want. To me this rifle fills the roll as a "little bit of anything" rifle. you can punch holes in paper at the range, you can hunt with it, you can build it up to a sh!t hits the fan rifle, pretty much any role you want it to fill it will do if you build it that way. I would build a 6.5 creedmoor myself as i am buying a precision bolt gun to reach out 1000 yards (maybe more if i can) so with the ammo hanging around anyway i would build the 102 to be a 50-600 yard shooter aiming more towards accuracy then tactical short range blasting and also for use hunting everything from raccoons to deer. BUT you can make it into whatever you want, thats the beauty of an AR10 style rifle, if you have the cash to buy a ton of .308 then you can use it as a range fun blaster, you can throw a decent optic on it and enjoy it stock as a well rounded fun rifle or you can build it up into a precision rig. Its all about what you want out of the rifle. just my $0.02
 
To the OP:

The BCL 102 is similar to the original AR10/DPMS style rifles in size and weight. They have done a fairly good job thinning it out with the second generation to make it less bulky and also they seemed to have taken some weight off it. But it's still not a light weight. If you planned on using it as a carbine ie like an AR15 then I would recommend something like the DPMS Gii Recon instead. Of course the Gii is restricted. You can get the weight down with the 102 but you are still dealing with the original design that led to the AR10. You can still set it up and use it as a carbine, but there are compromises. Plus it will mean replacing the handguard along with trying to save those ounces everywhere you can.

Out of the box the BCL 102 is a multi purpose jack of all trades firearm. As it stands right now out of the box I would say it's best use is for hunters who want a semi auto and informal target shooters who want a fun semi auto. Mine will be setup as a Designated Marksman rifle/informal target shooting. I plan on going with a 3-9X Burris E1 scope. This will allow me to shoot groups decently at 100-200 yards on the range or out in the bush, plus plinking etc at range. While also allowing a low enough magnification to use it as a carbine if I want (My new work out program? ) or possible even as a hunting rifle some day.

That may change later on after doing some accuracy testing. Although for a target rifle or precision I prefer a 20-24" barrel with a thicker bull barrel profile. That being said if it shoots how I suspect it will with the right ammo (have seen two other owners confirm the reload formula with .5 to .75 moa 5 round groups) then I may up the magnification. Probably not though as I can still do small groups with 9X at 100 and 200 yards. Plus this being a non restricted, I want to give the rifle more options rather than just as a precision AR10 rifle. I already have a few of those.

With regards to reliability, QC etc as it's been mentioned. You will see a number of complaints online here and there. Some legitimate issues. Mostly with the early rifles. Not very many reports of issues with the latest ones. The common issues that were showing up seem to have been dealt with and the product improved fairly quickly. Also keep in mind that according to the serial numbers there are over 1000 of these rifles now in the wild. The other factor is that there is really no competition right now for a non restricted AR308 rifle.

If you want something very specific in purpose such as the lightest hunting rifle, carbine or dedicated precision rifle etc then get the stripped upper/lower and build off that or be prepared to have some parts changed. Just beware that the price will start creeping up. I generally try to buy as close to what I want out of the box as possible to avoid the prices going up quickly and significantly. Your optic choice will of course reflect the purpose you've specd out your firearm for.

I should be receiving my FDE BCL 102 before June 6th according to the tracking number. I did however get a chance to check out a BCL 102 that a buddy received a couple of weeks ago from the same pre order. This would be the third pre order with the latest of the so called Gen 2 rifles. I was actually very pleasantly surprised. No machine marks, the cerekote was perfect and the contours of the upper/lower along with handguard looked very good. The contours all matched, so no lines out of place between the upper/lower which I've seen even with big name stuff. Upper/lower fit was snug and perfect. I've always liked the gen 1 as it's standard AR10 looking, but the contours of this gen2 rifle were both good looking and made the rifle seem thinner/handier plus the weight seemed fairly light for an AR308 based on the AR102 receivers. The BCG looked really good as well unlike some of the earlier problem ones we've all seen photos of. The finish was smooth, no machine marks and the gas rings/bolt tension was correct. Now the bolt etc isn't MPI etc like LMT/KAC or some of the other military proven AR10/AR308 rifles but at least from an initial inspection it looked good. Trigger was gritty but break was clean and the weight while heavy for most was usable for me. I think I can work on it and not have to replace it. Anyways long story short, I was pleasantly surprised. It's still a consumer/hobby grade AR10/AR308 rifle but so is it's nearest competitor. Also the BCL 102 was looking fairly polished. I really was pleasantly surprised. Again, there is really no competition out there for the BCL 102 if you want a non restricted AR308 rifle that actually shoots like an AR308 rifle should.
 
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My 102 (GEN 2 FDE ) is for hunting. ..optics Vortex strikefire 2 and also have Bushnell AR 308 scope for it but haven't mounted the scope yet.
The red dot strikefire is really all one needs for most all hunting scenarios out to 300 yards and only weighs 8 oz.
In response to CR5'S comments, mine has been 100% reliable to date! :p
 
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My 102 is for hunting. ..optics Vortex strikefire 2 and also have Bushnell AR 308 scope for it but haven't mounted the scope yet.
The red dot strikefire is really all one needs for most all hunting scenarios out to 300 yards and only weighs 8 oz.
In response to CR5'S comments, mine has been 100% reliable to date! :p

Hunting with a red dot at 300 yards. Hardly sounds ethical imo. What's the size of the dot? 2moa? So 6moa at 300 yards? On a deer with an 8" kill zone?
 
I do not have a BCL 102 as of yet but i do plan on buying a receiver set once time and money allow and as such i have spent a decent amount of time figuring out what i would want. To me this rifle fills the roll as a "little bit of anything" rifle. you can punch holes in paper at the range, you can hunt with it, you can build it up to a sh!t hits the fan rifle, pretty much any role you want it to fill it will do if you build it that way. I would build a 6.5 creedmoor myself as i am buying a precision bolt gun to reach out 1000 yards (maybe more if i can) so with the ammo hanging around anyway i would build the 102 to be a 50-600 yard shooter aiming more towards accuracy then tactical short range blasting and also for use hunting everything from raccoons to deer. BUT you can make it into whatever you want, thats the beauty of an AR10 style rifle, if you have the cash to buy a ton of .308 then you can use it as a range fun blaster, you can throw a decent optic on it and enjoy it stock as a well rounded fun rifle or you can build it up into a precision rig. Its all about what you want out of the rifle. just my $0.02

thank you!!!!
 
To the OP:

The BCL 102 is similar to the original AR10/DPMS style rifles in size and weight. They have done a fairly good job thinning it out with the second generation to make it less bulky and also they seemed to have taken some weight off it. But it's still not a light weight. If you planned on using it as a carbine ie like an AR15 then I would recommend something like the DPMS Gii Recon instead. Of course the Gii is restricted. You can get the weight down with the 102 but you are still dealing with the original design that led to the AR10. You can still set it up and use it as a carbine, but there are compromises. Plus it will mean replacing the handguard along with trying to save those ounces everywhere you can.

Out of the box the BCL 102 is a multi purpose jack of all trades firearm. As it stands right now out of the box I would say it's best use is for hunters who want a semi auto and informal target shooters who want a fun semi auto. Mine will be setup as a Designated Marksman rifle/informal target shooting. I plan on going with a 3-9X Burris E1 scope. This will allow me to shoot groups decently at 100-200 yards on the range or out in the bush, plus plinking etc at range. While also allowing a low enough magnification to use it as a carbine if I want (My new work out program? ) or possible even as a hunting rifle some day.

That may change later on after doing some accuracy testing. Although for a target rifle or precision I prefer a 20-24" barrel with a thicker bull barrel profile. That being said if it shoots how I suspect it will with the right ammo (have seen two other owners confirm the reload formula with .5 to .75 moa 5 round groups) then I may up the magnification. Probably not though as I can still do small groups with 9X at 100 and 200 yards. Plus this being a non restricted, I want to give the rifle more options rather than just as a precision AR10 rifle. I already have a few of those.

With regards to reliability, QC etc as it's been mentioned. You will see a number of complaints online here and there. Some legitimate issues. Mostly with the early rifles. Not very many reports of issues with the latest ones. The common issues that were showing up seem to have been dealt with and the product improved fairly quickly. Also keep in mind that according to the serial numbers there are over 1000 of these rifles now in the wild. The other factor is that there is really no competition right now for a non restricted AR308 rifle.

If you want something very specific in purpose such as the lightest hunting rifle, carbine or dedicated precision rifle etc then get the stripped upper/lower and build off that or be prepared to have some parts changed. Just beware that the price will start creeping up. I generally try to buy as close to what I want out of the box as possible to avoid the prices going up quickly and significantly. Your optic choice will of course reflect the purpose you've specd out your firearm for.

I should be receiving my FDE BCL 102 before June 6th according to the tracking number. I did however get a chance to check out a BCL 102 that a buddy received a couple of weeks ago from the same pre order. This would be the third pre order with the latest of the so called Gen 2 rifles. I was actually very pleasantly surprised. No machine marks, the cerekote was perfect and the contours of the upper/lower along with handguard looked very good. The contours all matched, so no lines out of place between the upper/lower which I've seen even with big name stuff. Upper/lower fit was snug and perfect. I've always liked the gen 1 as it's standard AR10 looking, but the contours of this gen2 rifle were both good looking and made the rifle seem thinner/handier plus the weight seemed fairly light for an AR308 based on the AR102 receivers. The BCG looked really good as well unlike some of the earlier problem ones we've all seen photos of. The finish was smooth, no machine marks and the gas rings/bolt tension was correct. Now the bolt etc isn't MPI etc like LMT/KAC or some of the other military proven AR10/AR308 rifles but at least from an initial inspection it looked good. Trigger was gritty but break was clean and the weight while heavy for most was usable for me. I think I can work on it and not have to replace it. Anyways long story short, I was pleasantly surprised. It's still a consumer/hobby grade AR10/AR308 rifle but so is it's nearest competitor. Also the BCL 102 was looking fairly polished. I really was pleasantly surprised. Again, there is really no competition out there for the BCL 102 if you want a non restricted AR308 rifle that actually shoots like an AR308 rifle should.

Amazing!!! thank you so much for the well thought out response!!!!!
 
Who are these people? We’ve been shipping 75-100 guns a week for a while now and no one is calling me with issues that aren’t fixed with some lubrication or familiarizing them with the platform. I hardly see people posting anymore.

Ryan

Try looking in the main battle rifles section there are four threads on page one with guys showing poor machining or other problems, if you go further back more pages there are many more threads showing issues with the quality of the product.
You're probably hearing less feedback from owners because people seem to be skipping the warranty claims and just buying parts to fix it themselves rather than pay to ship it back.
I know you have to tow the line because you're making money off these rifles but don't try to tell us they've fixed the problems in the QC department because guys are still getting rifles that aren't perfect, they may be getting better but the reports are still rolling in with someone new having issues or at least not happy with the machining.

I know BCL is capable of making a nice rifle as some of the guys have shown but they are still not making a consistently good product.
I would never buy one of these unless I could fully strip the rifle to inspect it and maybe even spend an hour at the range to test function. Not like any retailer would let me fully strip it on their gun counter so that leaves me with a local sale on a used rifle as the only option. Guess the chances of me buying one are pretty slim until the negative reports stop rolling in so often.

I do know what you're saying about familiarity and lubrication with this platform being an issue for many but the pictures posted don't lie about the poor machining and finishing.
 
For me, (mines supposedly shipping in the next couple weeks) this rifle is a project. The biggest appeal to me is the cross compatible parts, I love the build almost as much as the finished product (maybe more), so this rifle offers a tremendous amount of ways to improve almost every aspect. Can’t wait!
 
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