BCL - New name, Same old clowns!

[B..]

YUUUUUUGE shout-out to Ryan from SFRC!!! Thank-you!!!

I was just contacted by BCL and they were extremely apologetic that my warranty repair slipped through the cracks. The gentleman I spoke with was very helpful and friendly and not only promised to make this right, but ensured me that they're making a lot of changes to better service their customers and improve the quality of their firearms.

It also sounds like there is some interesting things in the works at Black Creek Labs...

Great to see this will get resolved or at least moving in the right direction.
Let us know how it goes with the improvements!

 

[Ironheart]

Never have, and never will spend my money on their product for this exact reason.

If you want to support Canadian business, keep an eye on black leaf industries. They've got some great things coming down the pipe and are a bunch of solid dudes.

I really wanted one of their ARs with the 7.5 in barrel just for the hell of it......until I did some reading and more reading....now I read this.....hey OP I'm sorry you are going thru this.....absolutely disgraceful to wait that long.....I'd chalk it all up as a loss....send everything back for full refund and never look back

 

[JGE]

Nothing in life is guaranteed (except death & taxes) but if Wolverine is involved that's about as good a guarantee as you're going to get that the job will be done right and if it isn't they will fix it. If every dealer was like Wolverine this forum would have a lot fewer posts because problems like the OPs would either not exist or would get corrected mucho pronto.

And no, I have no direct connection to Wolverine (except for all the money they're taken from me over the years).

Wolverine is the same as SFRC, they are the distributor of companies firearms. No idea how the Kodiak wc180c will be, hoping excellent, as the more NR options the better. I have dealt with both Wolverine and SFRC, both are excellent at getting things resolved for their customers. So not sure what you are trying to get at here. Sorry one is now the distributor of a product you don't like but comes across like you are saying this is Ryan's (SFRC) fault. Ryan is the reason the op now has a solution to his warranty claim, time will tell if BCL follows through. Just my opinion.

 

[ted_dent]

Wolverine is the same as SFRC, they are the distributor of companies firearms. No idea how the Kodiak wc180c will be, hoping excellent, as the more NR options the better. I have dealt with both Wolverine and SFRC, both are excellent at getting things resolved for their customers. So not sure what you are trying to get at here. Sorry one is now the distributor of a product you don't like but comes across like you are saying this is Ryan's (SFRC) fault. Ryan is the reason the op now has a solution to his warranty claim, time will tell if BCL follows through. Just my opinion.

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I slag SFRC. I was responding to another poster's question about the Woverine/Kodiak rifle. For that matter where did you even get that I have a beef with NEA/BCL? Yeah, you're enttitled to your opinion but in this case you're wrong.
BTW Wolverine is not simply the distributor of their rifle as they have had an active role in developing it. I'm stopping now as the more I read your "opinion" the more it's p*ssing me off.

 

[Curtis264]

SFRC is not perfect, I have had 4 purchases through them, all 4 I have had problems. I told Ryan what has happened through all of them, and other than a canned response nothing was done. I am not going to publicly post this crap, but unless they have something that no one else can get and I can't live without it. I will not be purchasing anything else from them. In the last 18 months I have bought 22 rifles and have never had the problems with any other company

 

[SigWig]

BCL?

Bogus Crap Lucrative?

 

[tharkhold]

In the last 18 months I have bought 22 rifles and have never had the problems with any other company

Jeesus, is there anything i missed in the news?

 

[themarauder]

Wow. I never knew they were that bad. I had an Ar-15 upper that wouldn't fit any lower I could find. I never bothered to send it anywhere, to be honest I've heard it's a waste of time anyway.
I have heard lots of stories of their bad quality...but bad customer service in the Canadian gun industry is worse.

I've got one sitting on my desk at work for a paperweight. NEA recommended firing it as this would (magically!) cause the out of spec take down pin holes to line up. NEA claims it's the coating they put on the upper. Hmmm.. I needed a hammer to put the pins in on any lower I have. I put them in and out dozens of times with no changes. (Dur) Eventually they stopped returning my calls or emails.

I was told recently they've got some new folks working there who are going to turn the quality around. We'll see.

 

[JungerJager]

I've got one sitting on my desk at work for a paperweight. NEA recommended firing it as this would (magically!) cause the out of spec take down pin holes to line up. NEA claims it's the coating they put on the upper. Hmmm.. I needed a hammer to put the pins in on any lower I have. I put them in and out dozens of times with no changes. (Dur) Eventually they stopped returning my calls or emails.

I was told recently they've got some new folks working there who are going to turn the quality around. We'll see.

Check your front pin retainer, I have seen on a few occasions now cracking in the lower material and the detent being pushed out. Not sure if it is due to the lowers being made of 6061 or that the holes were not drilled 100% straight. I still think that a nod needs to be given to BCL/NEA, they went out and cut a path, and turned out a product that is for all intents a NR AR10, someone now just needs to grab the ball and make some more yards.

 

[Mark-II]

Why does a BCL102 cost $1000 more than an NEA/BCL-15? Pretty much the same materials, same cost of production, and now we see they are built to the same standards. The 102 should be $1000

I'm sure we would ALL love to have you share with us where you are buying AR-10 pattern rifles, restricted or not, for $1000

You can buy a DPMS AR-15 for under $700. Why are DPMS AR-10's almost 2 grand?

 

[cr5]

I'm sure we would ALL love to have you share with us where you are buying AR-10 pattern rifles, restricted or not, for $1000

You can buy a DPMS AR-15 for under $700. Why are DPMS AR-10's almost 2 grand?

I'm comparing NEA/BCL-15 to BCL102. The cost to build either is not much different, a little more material needed to build the 102 but for the most part it's just a different program in the CNC machine. There was minimal R&D since they copied the action of the AR-10 and, they only had to for the most part up size the NEA-15 furniture to fit the slightly larger AR-10 platform to modernize it with rails and free float forend. This was not some massive project starting from scratch building a completely new rifle.
If they can build an AR-15 for $700 the 102 could easily be done for $1000. They aren't outsourcing expensive parts, they're all built in their shop which is evident by the hit and miss quality of the finished product.
As for quality, I'd take the DPMS over an NEA/BCL any day of the week if it wasn't for the non restricted classification of the 102.

Also, if you don't use the price of the cheapest DPMS (Oracle) for $800 and actually compare one of the decent rifles with a free float forend and some other options you're looking at a $1500ish rifle compared to a similarly equipped DPMS AR-10 for around $2000 the gap isn't very big. Those prices came off the SFRC site if you'd like to look.
If you actually compare apples to apples the DPMS AR-10 does not cost $1000 more than the DPMS AR-15.

 

[Runningfool]

I'm comparing NEA/BCL-15 to BCL102....Also, if you don't use the price of the cheapest DPMS (Oracle) for $800 and actually compare one of the decent rifles with a free float forend and some other options you're looking at a $1500ish rifle compared to a similarly equipped DPMS AR-10 for around $2000 the gap isn't very big. Those prices came off the SFRC site if you'd like to look.
If you actually compare apples to apples the DPMS AR-10 does not cost $1000 more than the DPMS AR-15.

The BCL-102 does not cost $1000 more than the bcl/NEA-15...the price difference was close to the same as your dpms example with NEA-15s retailing for about $1200 most recently iirc and the bcl-102 at $1749.

 

[cr5]

The BCL-102 does not cost $1000 more than the bcl/NEA-15...the price difference was close to the same as your dpms example with NEA-15s retailing for about $1200 most recently iirc and the bcl-102 at $1749.

Well the only retailer I can find with an NEA-15 for sale is retailing it for $800 (Canada Ammo sale) and since I can buy a brand new Colt 6920 for $1380 (SFRC retail price) anyone who spends $1200 on an NEA-15 is a fool in my opinion.
Ask anyone who knows anything about AR's and I bet 100% of them would pay $200 more to own a Colt. Then there are all the other US brands with good reputations selling AR-15's for around the $1000 mark and $1200 for an NEA-15 seems even more ridonculous with their track record.

 

[Runningfool]

Well the only retailer I can find with an NEA-15 for sale is retailing it for $800 (Canada Ammo sale) and since I can buy a brand new Colt 6920 for $1380 (SFRC retail price) anyone who spends $1200 on an NEA-15 is a fool in my opinion.
Ask anyone who knows anything about AR's and I bet 100% of them would pay $200 more to own a Colt. Then there are all the other US brands with good reputations selling AR-15's for around the $1000 mark and $1200 for an NEA-15 seems even more ridonculous with their track record.

All true points but completely irrelevant to the fact that you were incorrect about the “gap” being so different between these two manufacturers.