BCL102 and Brownells BCG

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Hey,

Having issues running a Brownells BCG in a BCL 102. Installed fine, however, the firing pin is not striking the primer on a loaded round. Any thoughts? I know the BCL BCG has a spring in the firing pin, do I need to install that on the Brownells one as well?

Thanks
 
I tried putting a brownells BCG in my BCL and it jammed so bad I needed an armorer to clear it. When comparing the two bolt carriers, it was clear that they didn’t match. The gas key was at different height, being the most noticeable. I would suggest that any part swapping you try is at your own risk. You’ll find a whole mixed bag of responses on this ranging from “mine works fine” to “don’t even try it”. Now that my BCL is running well with stock parts, I’m leaving it alone. I wish you luck and if you are brave enough to carry with mods, report your findings!
 
If the firing pin isn't reaching the primer, it's because the bolt is not locked, a safety feature of AR rifles.
I'd stop playing around before you blow it and yourself up. Send it to someone that knows what they are doing, or buy a Stag. BCL don't know how to make rifles any better then NEA did. No consistency, nothing built to spec, Norinco of the North.
 
What Hitzy said.

Changing the bolt and or carrier will not make it shoot any better, it will not be any more accurate with a different bolt.

If you're having problems with your rifle send it back for warranty.
You paid good money for that rifle, hold them accountable to make it run right. It should not be the consumers responsibility to work out the bugs to get a rifle running.
People on this site always shock me with how much money they're willing to spend on crap that they don't need rather than just sending it back for warranty service.

They have a warranty for a reason, use it.

If you're replacing it as an "upgrade" you're wasting your time and money.
 
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I know of two BCL 102's that ran and head spaced flawlessly with Brownell's BCG. Both also had POF cam rollers installed. YMMV.
 
Again, throwing money at a problem instead of holding the manufacturer accountable to build them right in the first place.

Come back to me after you've tried to get anything repaired by BCL under warranty. You clearly don't even have a dog in this fight if you think they're at all accountable.
 
Come back to me after you've tried to get anything repaired by BCL under warranty. You clearly don't even have a dog in this fight if you think they're at all accountable.

They behave that way because guys let them off the hook if they make it at all difficult.
Contact Ryan at SFRC, he will get them to take care of you. He can start a warranty claim for you.

Roller cam pin? If the cam pin track is not cut correctly inside the receiver and the standard cam pin is not travelling smoothly then your roller pin is a band-aid, and because it's still running in the same out of spec track it will most likely have a very short service life. No big deal if you're the type that only puts a hundred rounds through your rifle each year but if you actually use it you'll be running into more problems sooner than later.

I'm too smart to buy a BCL dog. Would be advertised as a pure bread retriever but when it showed up it would be a retarded blind cat with 3 legs.
 
SFRC has washed their hands of BCL. Even if you contact SFRC expect to get the same generic warranty email reply that everyone else is getting at the moment...
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...726-Black-Creek-Labs-Announcement-Please-Read

So Ryan finally got tired of their crap as well. Sorry, I guess you're all SOL then.

I would sell it on the EE for whatever I could get and learn to believe the guys like me who have been trying to warn people since the 102 was announced that it's too big a risk to waste hard earned money on anything that comes from that company.

Sorry about your luck guys.
 
makes me sad. Its a great looking gun, and once you get it running well its a pretty good rifle. Maybe I got lucky. I had some FTE issues during the first 80 rounds or so. BCL sent me a new bolt carrier group but I havent used it yet since after those 80 rounds its been firing perfectly. I really hope it holds up, i'd hate to dump it off for a loss. Sure the Stag is better, but its not a magical unicorn gun either. All that being said, my friend wants an AR308 but i've steered him towards a Stag....but mostly because he's a lefty.
 
makes me sad. Its a great looking gun, and once you get it running well its a pretty good rifle. Maybe I got lucky. I had some FTE issues during the first 80 rounds or so. BCL sent me a new bolt carrier group but I havent used it yet since after those 80 rounds its been firing perfectly. I really hope it holds up, i'd hate to dump it off for a loss. Sure the Stag is better, but its not a magical unicorn gun either. All that being said, my friend wants an AR308 but i've steered him towards a Stag....but mostly because he's a lefty.

You're 100% correct, the Stag is not a magical unicorn. But it is built by a company with a solid reputation and imported/retailed by another company with a solid reputation.
I've read a few posts about guys having issues with their Stag10 but they are pretty rare and in most cases probably wouldn't be an issue if the rifle was properly stripped, cleaned, and lubricated prior to taking it out shooting.

I will throw out there though that after reading many of the problems guys have had with 102's, Stag10's, and Modern Hunters that operator error is sometimes the issue more than the rifle. Since these non restricted ARish rifles have started coming out there have been a lot of guys buying them that have never owned an AR before and have also done zero research into how they work, or how to maintain them. I've also walked guys through troubleshooting their rifles to find there was nothing wrong with the rifle until they drank the CGN cool-aid and started changing out parts on a rifle they know nothing about based solely on the advice from other guys that know only enough to be able to screw it up.
With AR-15's, lately it's almost always light weight bolt carrier groups without realizing they are dealing with a balanced system. They throw it out of balance by changing to light weight parts without re-balancing the system with an adjustable gas block. They don't even know why they want a light weight bolt carrier, they think it's to make the rifle lighter.
If you're not competing and want fast follow up shots with the least amount of recoil possible you don't need that crap as it only makes the rifle finicky and harder to tune to variations in ammo.

This is just an example, not all are the same and sometimes it is the rifle that has issues before any repairs or parts exchanges are made. In these cases my advice is always to send it back for warranty service first. It is much easier to modify a rifle when you start with something that works correctly, then you change one piece at a time (or a couple if it's to maintain a balanced system like in the case I mentioned above).

The guys that buy them and just start changing parts to make it work are enabling BCL. Unless they are held accountable for their crap they will continue until someone has one blow up in their face. At which point I'm sure BCL is going to say that the addition of the roller cam pin or whatever mods were made voided the warranty and all liability.

You are holding a device that is containing an explosion creating 60000psi of pressure 3 inches from your face.
Do you really want the device to be made by a company run by children with a close enough is good enough attitude who also wash their hands of all responsibility by ignoring customer warranty concerns and just keep pumping them out until people stop buying them then move on to the next money grab (the badger rifle and whatever that other one is called)?
Not me, and that's why I discourage everyone from buying their crap. I have no reason to do this other than concern for the safety of my fellow shooters. I own no shares in any of these companies, I receive no compensation from anyone for steering people to or from any products. I only have friends in the industry and in shooting sports that I don't want to see get hurt by the negligence and arrogance of companies like BCL.

I got carried away again, sorry.
 
I whole hardheartedly agree with you, I know some guys here are trying to save a few bucks or support Canadian company or whatever but this is a expensive hobby with calculated risks that get even more expensive, as for supporting canadian I get it, but companies like that don't deserve our support.

You're 100% correct, the Stag is not a magical unicorn. But it is built by a company with a solid reputation and imported/retailed by another company with a solid reputation.
I've read a few posts about guys having issues with their Stag10 but they are pretty rare and in most cases probably wouldn't be an issue if the rifle was properly stripped, cleaned, and lubricated prior to taking it out shooting.

I will throw out there though that after reading many of the problems guys have had with 102's, Stag10's, and Modern Hunters that operator error is sometimes the issue more than the rifle. Since these non restricted ARish rifles have started coming out there have been a lot of guys buying them that have never owned an AR before and have also done zero research into how they work, or how to maintain them. I've also walked guys through troubleshooting their rifles to find there was nothing wrong with the rifle until they drank the CGN cool-aid and started changing out parts on a rifle they know nothing about based solely on the advice from other guys that know only enough to be able to screw it up.
With AR-15's, lately it's almost always light weight bolt carrier groups without realizing they are dealing with a balanced system. They throw it out of balance by changing to light weight parts without re-balancing the system with an adjustable gas block. They don't even know why they want a light weight bolt carrier, they think it's to make the rifle lighter.
If you're not competing and want fast follow up shots with the least amount of recoil possible you don't need that crap as it only makes the rifle finicky and harder to tune to variations in ammo.

This is just an example, not all are the same and sometimes it is the rifle that has issues before any repairs or parts exchanges are made. In these cases my advice is always to send it back for warranty service first. It is much easier to modify a rifle when you start with something that works correctly, then you change one piece at a time (or a couple if it's to maintain a balanced system like in the case I mentioned above).

The guys that buy them and just start changing parts to make it work are enabling BCL. Unless they are held accountable for their crap they will continue until someone has one blow up in their face. At which point I'm sure BCL is going to say that the addition of the roller cam pin or whatever mods were made voided the warranty and all liability.

You are holding a device that is containing an explosion creating 60000psi of pressure 3 inches from your face.
Do you really want the device to be made by a company run by children with a close enough is good enough attitude who also wash their hands of all responsibility by ignoring customer warranty concerns and just keep pumping them out until people stop buying them then move on to the next money grab (the badger rifle and whatever that other one is called)?
Not me, and that's why I discourage everyone from buying their crap. I have no reason to do this other than concern for the safety of my fellow shooters. I own no shares in any of these companies, I receive no compensation from anyone for steering people to or from any products. I only have friends in the industry and in shooting sports that I don't want to see get hurt by the negligence and arrogance of companies like BCL.

I got carried away again, sorry.
 
The spec on the bolt/BCG is unknown and there must be variation between rifles or generations as some work with aftermarket BCG's and some do not. Changing bolts in this gun is a roll of the dice. Buy a Stag 10 instead.
 
I will throw out there though that after reading many of the problems guys have had with 102's, Stag10's, and Modern Hunters that operator error is sometimes the issue more than the rifle. Since these non restricted ARish rifles have started coming out there have been a lot of guys buying them that have never owned an AR before and have also done zero research into how they work, or how to maintain them.

I agree with this.
 
The spec on the bolt/BCG is unknown and there must be variation between rifles or generations as some work with aftermarket BCG's and some do not. Changing bolts in this gun is a roll of the dice. Buy a Stag 10 instead.

This is one of the problems with the AR-10 platform and newbie builders. There is no "milspec", it all depends which pattern the manufacturer built the parts to fit (SR-25/DPMS, or Armalite for example) and unless the consumer knows which one he needs it's a roll of the dice. BCL has complicated it even more by changing specs between generations and also not being very forthcoming with the information that would help people make an educated purchase. It seems that gen 2 was an attempt to stop people from buying the rifle for the receiver set and swapping out everything else.
 
I have not heard of any bolts or extensions being out of spec. Get a set of go no go gauges and check. And as much as this will bug the bcl hate group on cgn maybe the cheap brownells bolt may be out of spec. Who am i kidding they will find a way to blam that on bcl some how.
 
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