BCL102 and Brownells BCG

870supermag said:
I have not heard of any bolts or extensions being out of spec. Get a set of go no go gauges and check. And as much as this will bug the bcl hate group on cgn maybe the cheap brownells bolt may be out of spec. Who am i kidding they will find a way to blam that on bcl some how.
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Anything is possible. It's just that with BCL's track record the safe bet is that it's a BCL issue.
I wouldn't rule anything out though.
Why do you defend them? You've been a member long enough that you must know how long they've been letting crap slip out the door. Being one of the few lucky ones that got something that works doesn't erase all the other people's bad experiences. I'm still using an NEA upper and lower in a build I have but I've also had some of their junk pass through my hands and I'll never spend another dime on their stuff.
 
NEA/BCL will modify stock OEM parts to fit their out of spec receivers. Seen it personally on a few pieces I've bought. Grinding with some high tech "sharpie" to touch it up. That's why other OEM stock parts don't want to drop right in.
I've said it since the NEA days...why can they not make stuff to spec? The drawings are out there, everyone and their nephew seems to be able to start up an AR15 company like Aero, PSA, etc and break into the market with HIGH Quality in specs parts.
 
did you handle one of those "cheap Brownells bolt"? Brownells don't make anything in house, they retail the frak out of everything enough so to have whoever they want build stuff for them... That bolt looks like it came from Aero Precision, which is very likely where the Stag bolt comes from too. but nah all these guys are out of spec if you look at it from a BCL point of view. There is no spec to speak of really so anything goes.

870supermag said:
I have not heard of any bolts or extensions being out of spec. Get a set of go no go gauges and check. And as much as this will bug the bcl hate group on cgn maybe the cheap brownells bolt may be out of spec. Who am i kidding they will find a way to blam that on bcl some how.
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Why do i defend them? Well as i have said before maybe im the luckiest guy in the world but I have bought and used alot of nea and bcl guns and parts with zero issue. Do i belive that they dont have qc problems? no. But its always the same people of here slaging anything bcl/nea. To the point that most guys on here wont even talk about or ask questions about nea/bcl. So i defend them because i have use and like their products. Why do you and 10 other guys on here have a personal goal of taking #### and belittling anyone who dare run a nea/bcl.
 
870supermag said:
Why do i defend them? Well as i have said before maybe im the luckiest guy in the world but I have bought and used alot of nea and bcl guns and parts with zero issue. Do i belive that they dont have qc problems? no. But its always the same people of here slaging anything bcl/nea. To the point that most guys on here wont even talk about or ask questions about nea/bcl. So i defend them because i have use and like their products. Why do you and 10 other guys on here have a personal goal of taking #### and belittling anyone who dare run a nea/bcl.
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Because it's always people having problems with their stuff on here. When it was getting close to the end of the NEA days I thought they were finally getting better, then along came BCL and the 102 and all it's problems. The forum had a new thread or three a day with guys complaining about their rifle. Even some of the guys that were praising it changed their tune after they actually had some rounds down the barrel and it quit.

Getting anything from them rarely ends with a happy ending. I've always said that when they make it right it's not a bad product, it's just that getting a trouble free one is lucky, not the norm.

I want to support Canadian but I also have higher expectations from Canadian manufacturers. These are supposed to be skilled tradesmen building them, not slave child labour. They use modern machinery and yet can't put out a consistent product.

They've had years to sort this out and they've done nothing but keep pumping out half ass products.
At least in the NEA days they had a good reputation for their warranty, they can't claim that anymore since now it sounds like they just ignore customer warranty claims.

I am glad to hear that at least one person on here has used their products for years and is still happy with them.
 
Out of 5 NEA items, I have 1 that wasn't completely garbage, an M14 spring guide.
The garbage...
Upper where the ejection port was milled too big so there were huge gaps around the dust cover.
Barrel that was turned off center, bore was visably off center. Splotchy nitride finish that looked terrible.
5.56 bolt carrier, center of the bolt blew out on the 3rd shot.
Heavy muzzle brake with a huge gouge right at the exit port where the bit obviously bound up during manufacture and should have went into the scrap bin.
So for my "luck" 80% of their products were garbage.
 
870supermag said:
Why do i defend them? Well as i have said before maybe im the luckiest guy in the world but I have bought and used alot of nea and bcl guns and parts with zero issue. Do i belive that they dont have qc problems? no. But its always the same people of here slaging anything bcl/nea. To the point that most guys on here wont even talk about or ask questions about nea/bcl. So i defend them because i have use and like their products. Why do you and 10 other guys on here have a personal goal of taking #### and belittling anyone who dare run a nea/bcl.
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Same here. And I suspect there are a lot of us but the “NEA effect” here on CGN is such that most of us don’t bother posting anymore...it’s futile. Talking #### about NEA is practically a sport here and there are a few who seem to get off on finding new ways to say the same things over and over again; it is obvious they hold themselves in quite high regard as each post reinforces their status as internet experts! Sometimes I wonder if they get paid by the word ;)

So those who are happy with their NEA rifles quietly carry on, while on cgn the circle jerk of “frendz dont let frendz buy NEA, lol” repeats itself over and over. The issues NEA/bcl had/has are many, but definitely blown way out of proportion imo. That’s the NEA effect.
 
Runningfool said:
Same here. And I suspect there are a lot of us but the “NEA effect” here on CGN is such that most of us don’t bother posting anymore...it’s futile. Talking #### about NEA is practically a sport here and there are a few who seem to get off on finding new ways to say the same things over and over again; it is obvious they hold themselves in quite high regard as each post reinforces their status as internet experts! Sometimes I wonder if they get paid by the word ;)

So those who are happy with their NEA rifles quietly carry on, while on cgn the circle jerk of “frendz dont let frendz buy NEA, lol” repeats itself over and over. The issues NEA/bcl had/has are many, but definitely blown way out of proportion imo. That’s the NEA effect.
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I think the issues are far more then realized, not nearly blown out of proportion. Anyone with these that may work, flaws and all, have a vested interest in keeping the dream alive and would praise them endlessly so their $1600 investment is not completely worthless when they decide to dump it.
 
Runningfool said:
Same here. And I suspect there are a lot of us but the “NEA effect” here on CGN is such that most of us don’t bother posting anymore...it’s futile. Talking #### about NEA is practically a sport here and there are a few who seem to get off on finding new ways to say the same things over and over again; it is obvious they hold themselves in quite high regard as each post reinforces their status as internet experts! Sometimes I wonder if they get paid by the word ;)

So those who are happy with their NEA rifles quietly carry on, while on cgn the circle jerk of “frendz dont let frendz buy NEA, lol” repeats itself over and over. The issues NEA/bcl had/has are many, but definitely blown way out of proportion imo. That’s the NEA effect.
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You claim that anyone who says their NEA or BCL product gets jumped on or discredited. I challenge you to find a post from me in my BCL/NEA bash posts where I've done that.

What I don't understand is why you support them when you state it yourself that their problems are many and that they continue in todays products from them.
You got lucky like the others who hide in the shadows afraid to show the other side of the product. If it wasn't only the negatives we heard maybe it wouldn't sound like a 50% failure rate and now a 100% warranty side step for those with issues.
I've always said that I've owned good and bad from them but the bad outweighs the good and since a used NEA AR-15 receiver set isn't worth $100 I just keep it for a beater rifle that rarely goes to the range. It's my parts donor for when I get my hands on an ATRS MS set.

I wish more guys would tell us about their BCL rifles that actually work. But don't try to pretend you bought something as well made as other options, it's cheap for a reason, if it worked reliably and could be trusted to survive 10,000 rounds without major parts failure or wear it would be a good deal, I suspect though that most won't make 1000 rounds without needing parts of some sort.

Talking about an AR used to be about customizing and making it your own, but talking about BCL is mostly about making it work or figuring out what parts will fit. Guys were buying them and swapping out bolts and carriers before even test firing it to see if it worked. What does that tell you about a product?

Anyway, enjoy your rifle, I'm glad you got some of their better built ones.
 
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cr5 said:
You claim that anyone who says their NEA or BCL product gets jumped on or discredited. I challenge you to find a post from me in my BCL/NEA bash posts where I've done that...
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Huh? First of all that sentence doesn’t really make sense but I think I know what you were trying to say. Secondly, where exactly did I “claim” that?

Lucky? Maybe. But hide in the shadows? Not exactly. I’ve owned 5 NEA-15s over the years and still have 4 of them. My first has well over 10,000 rounds through it and I provided very detailed pictures of the internals here on CGN. Between all of those guns I’ve had exactly one problem and that was a faulty extractor, also detailed previously on CGN...you wouldn’t know it to look at it but at any rate they sent me a new one and problem solved.

I’m not pretending anything, that has been my experience with NEA, no more and no less.
 
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