BCRA Tactical rifle championship 2007

Rohann don't worry about winning or not, you can never tell who's going to get put with a wicked partner when they don't show up with one. One who can tell you exactly what to do (when you are using someone else's rifle even), and then you go on to win. That's what happened to me my second year there, and I can tell you right now, that had Don not been there to coach me, I would've been right at the back of the pack like the previous year. I don't go cuz I think I'll win (like I do in IPSC ;)) but because it's a hell of a lot of fun. Great group of guys, and some wicked nice gear to look at.
When I said carry, I meant carry, all your gear, everything you intend to use for the day should be either in your rifle bag or on a vest of some sort. No hand carry bags or #### like that. Hands free to the firing line. This should make it a little more challenging for people. if people aren't into that, then they can enter the other class. Now this is just my opinion and is not the rule, but I'd certainly like it looked at if PHM would care to. hell even a time limit to get back to the next firing point would be cool.
 
Rohann said:
You know what I was thinking...for the optics restriction, how about we make it "no S&B's":D?
-Rohann
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Makes no difference to me............I'll hand you your ass using one of my MK-4s, or I might even get another plain old Bushnell 3200 10X for this special occassion.......:p ;) :D :dancingbanana:

Lets start talking trash early this year!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :p :p :p

SKBY.
 
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Makes no difference to me............I'll hand you your ass using one of my MK-4s, or I might even get another plain old Bushnell 3200 10X for this special occassion.......:p ;) :D :dancingbanana:

Lets start talking trash early this year!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :p :p :p

SKBY.
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Rohann don't worry about winning or not, you can never tell who's going to get put with a wicked partner when they don't show up with one. One who can tell you exactly what to do (when you are using someone else's rifle even), and then you go on to win. That's what happened to me my second year there, and I can tell you right now, that had Don not been there to coach me, I would've been right at the back of the pack like the previous year. I don't go cuz I think I'll win (like I do in IPSC ) but because it's a hell of a lot of fun. Great group of guys, and some wicked nice gear to look at.
When I said carry, I meant carry, all your gear, everything you intend to use for the day should be either in your rifle bag or on a vest of some sort. No hand carry bags or s**t like that. Hands free to the firing line. This should make it a little more challenging for people. if people aren't into that, then they can enter the other class. Now this is just my opinion and is not the rule, but I'd certainly like it looked at if PHM would care to. hell even a time limit to get back to the next firing point would be cool.
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Oh no I'm definately not worried about winning; it sounds like a hell of a lot of fun and I can't wait for June to come around:dancingbanana:! I'm not entirely sure who my partner will be this year, but I'm going to talk to one of the Cpl's in my unit and see if he has a partner yet.
I actually think the "carry everything" policy would be a really good idea; my CF gear would definately come in handy then!

-Rohann
 
Rohann, what we were refering to is, at each firing point some shooters had the obvious like, rifle ammo, spotting scope. While others had that stuff, plus chairs, coolers, extra clothes, and other miscellaneous crap that had nothing to do with shooting the match laying all over. We weren't meaning to make this sound like we wanted a ruck march, just the bare necessities on the firing line.
 
I want a ruck march though, seriously. My fat ass can haul all that #### up there, so can other people. Just for the tac class mind you, but I think it's a good idea. Make it slightly more realistic. I know I know, it's about as far from real as we can get, but it's an easy way to add a little reality to it.
 
Sorry, to be such a Sh!t disturber but this match has me scheming overtime.:D How much is a BCRA membership?

Anyways, I am visiting some sites looking at tactical rifles to get ideas (build not buy of course). I figure Accuracy International would probably be considered a tactical rifle so off I go 'innocently' looking through their brouchure.

Lo and behold what do I see. The AI rifle now comes in..............

243 Winchester:dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana:

PHM I am really not trying to be a pain but may as well look at it now when there isn't 40 guys giving you the gears come match day cause someone shows up with an AI looking rifle in this cal (well, if I did get permission to come out and play).

I have run events and know how creative shooters can be. They also really really don't like it when they get 'caught', especially if they don't think they are bending anything. I know you don't want a 50 page rule book on what you can or cannot shoot in Tactical class but an AI in 243 would seem to be within the spirit of a tactical rifle, especially if you can buy it off the rack.

And if an AI can be in 243, why not something like a Rem M40 clone or a Rem in an AI chassis or something that looks like an AI or?

Whatcha all think?????

Jerry

PS, Heading over to Scandinavia for a snoop.
 
Jerry,
About membership, go to www.bcrifle.org and Bob Pitcairn will e-mail you a copy of the fee schedule. Secondly,We are potentially looking at going that route, just not this year. Last year the Tactical rifle class was only 223 or 308 with up to 20x scope, this year as you can see we are opening things up, just don't push things too far all at once. I would like to see it as a "run what you brung" type event with keeping the limitation on what rests are acceptable, and keep the course of fire challenging with different positions that must be adhered to. I've been looking at US based competitions, and for the most part they aren't anywhere near as picky as to what you can use, however if we just open it up completely, it is the opinion of many that the Law-Enforcement side of this competition will flee like rats with the lights on.

If this is something you guys would like to see changed, buy a BCRA membership, pay your entry-fee and bring your whiz-bang ray gun to the shoot and shoot the open class. After the shoot we will be having a handout passed out to each competitor with potential things to change in the shoot. This will cover everthing from Caliber's allowed, single shot's allowed, what part of the match was the most challenging, which was the least favorite etc. The only way to make things change is to actually show up boys.
 
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Parker-Hale Mike said:
Rohann, what we were refering to is, at each firing point some shooters had the obvious like, rifle ammo, spotting scope. While others had that stuff, plus chairs, coolers, extra clothes, and other miscellaneous crap that had nothing to do with shooting the match laying all over. We weren't meaning to make this sound like we wanted a ruck march, just the bare necessities on the firing line.
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Oh ok, I agree though, that would be a good idea. It would make it much more realistic.

-Rohann
 
PHM, I am all for TIGHTER restrictions for a defined class. What would make shooters mad is when they show up with real tools of the trade then face a 'grey' gun. Whether that person does well or not, it just leaves bad feelings.

Conversely, someone interprets the rules for a certain class, builds a rifle, then gets pushed somewhere else.

The US has gone so liberal that many rigs are simply mega dollar BR rifles with mags and bipods. For the open class, sure why not. For a business class, many will just go away.

If I can make it, I will let you know what I am going to cook up to see where it would be classed. Yes, it will be grey....

Good luck with your event.

Jerry

PS for those thinking about a new rig for this event, Savage will be coming out with detachable center feed mags in ALL their Law Enforcement stocks (HS, McM, and Choate). No other details on barrel length but will be on their short action in 308.
 
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Jerry, that's precisely what I'm talking about. We want to keep this a tools of the trade type deal, not turn it into some mega dollar Gong show. If you want to bring the Gong show that's fine, that's why we have an Open class! That's why I am looking for input from the people who shoot this match as to what they want to see happen, it's their match. Limiting it to 223/308 seemed like a really small niche compared to what is actually out there. Where should the line be drawn? I don't know, but we are going to try to figure it out, without scaring the cops away, I enjoyed shooting with them!
 
Parker-Hale Mike said:
Jerry, that's precisely what I'm talking about. We want to keep this a tools of the trade type deal, not turn it into some mega dollar Gong show. If you want to bring the Gong show that's fine, that's why we have an Open class! That's why I am looking for input from the people who shoot this match as to what they want to see happen, it's their match. Limiting it to 223/308 seemed like a really small niche compared to what is actually out there. Where should the line be drawn? I don't know, but we are going to try to figure it out, without scaring the cops away, I enjoyed shooting with them!
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I definately agree! And the more LE and Military coming out, the better.

-Rohann
 
23/4there said:
Is this a new thing for BCRA, because I can't find it on the website
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No, this match has been going on for over 15 years.........

It was simply called the BCRA Sniper Match, but now it is called the "Precision" rifle Championships.:rolleyes:

SKBY.
 
If you go to www.dcra.ca, you will find an article titled, "potential expansion of F-class shooting" it is right on the main page, In the article it titles this type of shooting as "Tactical Rifle". The hope of the DCRA is to turn this type of event into a fulltime class that is seperate from f-class, that is what we are looking at doing here, and that is why yet again the name was changed this year to "Tactical", more PC than Sniper, and more logical than Precision, technically all target shooting is precision, isn't it. As far as finding something on the BCRA's website it needs alot of updating, they are getting there. If you have comments about the site there is an e-mail address there for people to use to make comments, they won't change it if you don't tell them.
 
Was just reading the specs on the DCRA proposed Tactical class vs these rules. The only difference was in overall weight - 7KG. The proposed match weight is pretty close to 8kgs. Most everyone uses a mag fed action so there really isn't any conflict. The style of shooting in tactical, makes single loading silly.

Also, with movement, timed stages, shooting positions, the typical tripod/rear bag set up used in F class doesn't make sense. The only area to look at would be the bipod.

Usually that means Harris/Versa pod/similar but with the advent of superpods used in F class, that is something to look at.

Limiting to 308 or 223 with any bullet restricts that side of the cost equation. Putting a limit on barrel length negates the other. At least, it doesn't demand an aftermarket barrel right away.

There will be tact shooters that feel a Sturgeon action or AI or Tikka Tac is a must have. Others will use Savage/Rem's factory rifles. Others will use blueprinted rebarreled restocked Rem's which are not that much less expensive then the Sturgeon/AI rigs.

A McM stock alone is pretty close the cost of a Savage rifle.

There is no way to eliminate mega dollar rigs unless you conform everyone to a factory only class. And even then, you can get some pretty pricey factory rigs.

You could just make everyone shoot from a list of factory rifles. But that would be horridly restrictive and boring.

Ultimately, putting sensable limits on the rifle specs AND having a course of fire in tune with the style of the event, the right type of gear will come to the fore.

May not be cheap (but it wouldn't need to be expensive either), but it will work for that set of tasks.

Jerry
 
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I think Mike is on the right track.The whole idea of this match was to be completely different...and more challenging than your usual bellygun/benchrest shoots.Different targets,different timings,different positions...and more fun!Part of the equasion was to throw in some different stuff so that if our police and military shooters came into a similar situation,they might know better how to deal with it.
With that said we want to have as many different types of shooters out and not leave anyone out in the cold if they wanted to come and play.
Open class is the only way to do that.Bring what you got,within safety of course,and give'er!
There was a trend a few years back that lumped all the shooters together.Police with issued guns were competing against guys shooting single shot 6mmbr with 30 inch barrels and 40x scopes.People were getting pissed becasue the playing field was not level and as a result the shoot went downhill and attendance suffered.
The direction I took it in was I guess a little controversial with the target/singleshot/30 inch barrel crowd.They have plenty of matches of thier own to do thier thing and the tactical guys had none.So emphasis was put on tactical rifles and while the singleshot crowd is still welcomed with open arms,they have to be in thier own catagory because otherwise it becomes an arms race and thats what we need to avoid to keep this match fun and going strong.
 
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