BCRA Tactical Rifle Championship 2009

I highly doubt the civvies will stop coming out. It is up to each individual entrant to get their skill level up to that of their competitors. The civies run very close to that of the LE boys and this year the conditions were horrible on day two and the best shooter came out on top because he managed to make less mistakes. That's the way it works.

The idea of having a second table that is reserved for the civilians is completely ridiculous. I won't even touch that one.

The look on J.P's face when he was holding the T'Wolf was like a 5 year old on Christmas day. Are you telling me that the LE guys that come to this match are any less of a "gun guy" than the rest of us? Give your head a shake, we talk with them for extended lengths of time about all sorts of stuff like this.

The match was alot of fun and the shooters enjoyed themselves and that is what it is about. That is the reason the I try to run these events.
 
They were as Happy to have won the rifle as anyone, You could see. I think it went to a good Home, And it certainly wont stop me from going , It just gives me more incentive. The thing I like is EVERYONE gets something and all are applauded for trying there best and encouraged to not give up.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
Obviously I wasn't there this year, though I see my shooting partner was?? I personally don't think the biggest prizes should go to law enforcement. These guys are paid shooters and there are far less of them then civilians. We're trying to promote more of this shooting and competitions so in my opinion, there should be 2 prize tables. To a lot of the law enforcement guys, their firearm is just a tool in their tool box. To the civilian, their gun and the time they spend behind it, is something they enjoy doing as a hobby, not a job, and winning something like a PGW Timberwolfe would be an incredible achievement they would always cherish where as, and I'm not saying this to be rude to the law enforcement guys, but winning that gun, probably won't have the same meaning unless the guy is a gun lover like the rest of the civilian shooters are. If I got paid to spend time shooting because it was part of my profession, of course I'd come to competitions like this knowing that I"d logged thousands of rounds in conditions and angles and shooting positions that, through practice, I would have down pat, cold.
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I'd have to disagree here. In the States anyway, it is very difficult to get active LE to compete alongside civilians in Tactical style matches (or especially F-Class matches where pure accuracy is the only factor). This is generally due to the fact that they tend to place fairly low in the final standings. I think it is brilliant that the LE Teams will come out and compete directly against all comers in this match, if some of them take top honors, why more power and glory to them. With all of the rounds I shoot a year (granted, a slightly different emphasis :D) I am quite impressed at the quality of shooter that shows up for this match. Not just the LE, there are some outstanding shooters of all classes attending this match (Howton, Begg, et.al.).

I will do my best to convince at least one of the local SERT Teams that I work with to send Teams for next year's match.

My thought is, if you shoot top honors, you should get the top rewards, regardless of what your profession is. I too had some extremely in depth reloading conversations with some of the LE guys, you won't convince me that shooting isn't in their blood, just as it is mine.

Darrell
 
I had not idea how close I was to the T-wolf until I saw the scores posted today... 25 more points and it would have been mine. That lites a fire under my ass to practice for next year I'll tell you. This was our teams first shoot in two years and we only practiced two days together before the shoot. There will be more trigger time before next year based on this result.

As for the classes, I like shooting against LE and MIL teams, and anyone else that pushes me to shoot better for that matter. I really had no idea that I was doing as well as I did and it was a complete suprise to me that I got top civi when they called it out. I was just freaking happy that we had done well as a team and totally forgot about the individual scores.
 
Parker-Hale Mike said:
I highly doubt the civvies will stop coming out. It is up to each individual entrant to get their skill level up to that of their competitors. The civies run very close to that of the LE boys and this year the conditions were horrible on day two and the best shooter came out on top because he managed to make less mistakes. That's the way it works.

The idea of having a second table that is reserved for the civilians is completely ridiculous. I won't even touch that one.

The look on J.P's face when he was holding the T'Wolf was like a 5 year old on Christmas day. Are you telling me that the LE guys that come to this match are any less of a "gun guy" than the rest of us? Give your head a shake, we talk with them for extended lengths of time about all sorts of stuff like this.

The match was alot of fun and the shooters enjoyed themselves and that is what it is about. That is the reason the I try to run these events.
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bang on,
I shot like crap this year and thats my fault for lettingwork and familly getting in the way of range time :)

I think its great that it went to an LE, I have no reservations about it at all. The LE folks were a great bunch and a pleasure to compete with....

now we just have to make sure that next year JP gets those tequila shots at Earls ;)
 
Personally I like to have the best guys there to shoot against.What is the point if the best aren't there?Just to win easy prizes?That ain't my bag.I want to shoot with the best,learn some stuff,have fun and maybe bring home a trinket or two if I'm lucky(or good).The prizes are just a bonus to the gain in skill,knowledge and cameradery.Without those it wouldn't be much fun.
 
Well said.
I don't drive 22 hours total and take several days off of vacation time to win trinkets or patches at the BC shoots. I want to and thoroughly enjoy shooting alongside some of the best shooters out there and improve my shooting while doing it.
The match venue and direction was top notch as always.

One thing that I was half expecting that kind of left me scratching my head was where were some of the Edmonton Garrison boys? I figured at least one of the Battalions would be able to scare up a Det. to challange for a such a fine rifle.:confused:

Either way, it's always good to see Alberta boys take home the silverware:D
 
beltfed said:
Well said.
I don't drive 22 hours total and take several days off of vacation time to win trinkets or patches at the BC shoots. I want to and thoroughly enjoy shooting alongside some of the best shooters out there and improve my shooting while doing it.
The match venue and direction was top notch as always.

One thing that I was half expecting that kind of left me scratching my head was where were some of the Edmonton Garrison boys? I figured at least one of the Battalions would be able to scare up a Det. to challange for a such a fine rifle.:confused:

Either way, it's always good to see Alberta boys take home the silverware:D
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I think the CF boys are busy out killing Timmy Taliban.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
Obviously I wasn't there this year, though I see my shooting partner was?? I personally don't think the biggest prizes should go to law enforcement. These guys are paid shooters and there are far less of them then civilians. We're trying to promote more of this shooting and competitions so in my opinion, there should be 2 prize tables. To a lot of the law enforcement guys, their firearm is just a tool in their tool box. To the civilian, their gun and the time they spend behind it, is something they enjoy doing as a hobby, not a job, and winning something like a PGW Timberwolfe would be an incredible achievement they would always cherish where as, and I'm not saying this to be rude to the law enforcement guys, but winning that gun, probably won't have the same meaning unless the guy is a gun lover like the rest of the civilian shooters are. If I got paid to spend time shooting because it was part of my profession, of course I'd come to competitions like this knowing that I"d logged thousands of rounds in conditions and angles and shooting positions that, through practice, I would have down pat, cold.

Now, there's absolutely nothing stopping the average joe civilian from doing this also but there's a pattern developing and it's going to end up curbing how many civilians come to compete against law enforcement guys when it comes down to time and money spent to make it out to events like this. As the prizes get bigger, due to the marketing of the event, the competition will get tougher and more serious because if theres something to be gained, the professional shooters will show up.

Take it for what it's worth. That's my 2 cents like everyone else.
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My 2 cents worth is that is a load of crap. Usually on this site there common theme is police shooters are crap and that civilians shoot much better. I have read tons of crap on this topic. They show and win and now the shoe is on the other foot. Sour grapes if you ask me. For the most part police shoot a whole lot less than civilians, even though it a part of their job. As for the courses of fire, they are no secret. As was said, some of the competitors came very close. So rather than whining about le guys winning, you can practice as well as the courses of fire are posted prior. I guarantee that the majority of the guys who attended shoot rifle on a more regular basis that the le guys who show up. The biggest prize could have easliy went to a non le shooter if he had to shoot the best score, so no the top prize wasn't specifically reserved to law enforcement though in this case a le shooter won. Also to say that just because a shooter is a le shooter, winning the rifle wouldn't have the same meaning as a civilian is narrow minded. The guys who show up are there because they want to be and are as passionate about their craft as any civilian I know.
 
my opinion is that the best team and best shooter won. it doesnt matter what class they are in because the bottom line is we all shot the exact same course of fire and they came out on top. everyone who seen the look on JP's face when he won that gun knows that he was just as excited as any civillian.
 
Skullboy said:
Troy, you do make a good point.......It was discussed between several shooters this weekend.........Some thought the T-Wolf should have been a drawn prize, and others thought different different........Plus the donators of the Rifle had a specific request when the prize was donated...........this is something that will probably have to be addressed before next years match.......
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Troy The T Wolf went to the best shooter end of story regardless of classification. Arguing about this diminishes not only the winning Shooters skill and hard work but makes many of you look like the R tards you seem to make yourselves out to be
Ed as for having it a draw prize that is the most ludicrous thing I have heard why even bother shooting the match . Lets simply issue everyone a ticket at sign in and draw the rifle and all the other prizes at that time why even bother shooting the match does that makes sense. Pretty soon the Sponsors will get wind of this and soon you will have a prize table that only had enough prizes for First,Second And Third place finishers. And Insult to injury your attendance will drop like a rock.
The issue of the prizes is best left to Those that work for the BCRA Tactical Rifle Committee I think they have a real good grasp of situation
There are other areas that can be improved upon in how the match is run Scoring ,Timing and as you posted a equipment check list these are valid points .
 
Longshot said:
Personally I like to have the best guys there to shoot against.What is the point if the best aren't there?Just to win easy prizes?That ain't my bag.I want to shoot with the best,learn some stuff,have fun and maybe bring home a trinket or two if I'm lucky(or good).The prizes are just a bonus to the gain in skill,knowledge and cameradery.Without those it wouldn't be much fun.
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First of all I would like to thank Mike, John and Ed for all the hard work they put in to make this event what it is today. Unless you have put on or helped put on a shoot, it is hard to understand how much work actually goes in to it so props to you guys.
We flew in from Alberta, not knowing what to expect, and had more fun then we ever imagined. The coarse of fire was challenging and a lot of fun rain and all. Met a lot of great people and got to shoot along side some awesome shooters. Congratulations to JP on some phenomenal shooting. A guy has a lot of practicing to do before next year to catch up to JP and Ryan. Also a big thanks to all the sponsors who filled the prizes tables with a pile of awesome swage. So much so that first or last you got a great prize. Hope to see all you next year.

Chad
 
A big thanks to Mike,John and Ed for all the hard work to put on a great match and with the best prize table I have seen for all the times I have shot this match. A big thankyou to all the sponsers for all the prizes (well done John), I have already spoken to some freinds to be sponsers for next year, to add to the loot .A big congratulations to JP for some great shooting and hope he enjoy's that rifle.As for the subject of seperate prize tables I think that would be a big mistake. Also for beginner shooters not being able to compete equipment wise, I do see the point however the rifle does not make the man. I like to think that I could of won if I had made fewer mistakes, But then with no shooting in two years and only two days practice I should expect to make some mistakes(will practice more for next year). Thanks again for a great shoot I will be back next year to give Mike some more gray hair with all my McGyvering (only kidding........well not realy). I almost forgot I have to thank slavex for letting me stay at hotel fang.
 
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HeadDamage said:
So same time, same place next year?
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May be not on fathers day. And not during the summer solstice:). It cuts into my pegan festival time:stirthepot2:.

We had some miss communication between the butts and firing point on the relays Sunday. This resulted in some of the matches having to be entered for a second time while you guys were having your cake. I was driving the target pullers down to the pick up point so I am not sure how much of a delay this caused. The computer program from Darell and having Linda to enter the data made for a better day in the butts.
 
Just to break the tension, I took some pics of my new I.C.E. Tactical shooting mat with the "Relish" Gun......

Thanks Again Paul!!!! :) :rockOn: :cool: :canadaFlag:

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