Bear Defense thread.

My brother claims that a black bear that he shot was stalking him. It was previously wounded by someone else. He downed it with a 270 Win.

Me, I've scared the crap out of some bears when portaging. Mr Canoe head they just can't figure.
I've also had a bear wait in the bush for us to break camp.
Other than that, all the bears I've met, are either still running, or dead.
 
A friend of my Father in law had a that son was killed by a Grizzly in the North of BC quite a few years ago. He had split up from his dad and was carrying only a .270. (he was questioned about the wisdom of carrying only a smaller caliber rifle in Grizzly country, but that's all he had.) Long story short, they found him mauled to death, and then 20 yards away they found the Grizzly dead from a heart shot.
I always have a 12 guage pump close by if I'm in the bush....
 
2 bears???

A friend of my Father in law had a that son was killed by a Grizzly in the North of BC quite a few years ago. He had split up from his dad and was carrying only a .270. (he was questioned about the wisdom of carrying only a smaller caliber rifle in Grizzly country, but that's all he had.) Long story short, they found him mauled to death, and then 20 yards away they found the Grizzly dead from a heart shot.
I always have a 12 guage pump close by if I'm in the bush....
 
A friend of my Father in law had a that son was killed by a Grizzly in the North of BC quite a few years ago. He had split up from his dad and was carrying only a .270. (he was questioned about the wisdom of carrying only a smaller caliber rifle in Grizzly country, but that's all he had.) Long story short, they found him mauled to death, and then 20 yards away they found the Grizzly dead from a heart shot.
I always have a 12 guage pump close by if I'm in the bush....

No matter what cartridge would have been used a heart shot will never instantly stop a bear or any animal for that matter.

I have shot deer thru the heart that ran 40 - 80 yards after being hit.

In order to instantly stop an animal the central nervous system has to be hit = shot placement...
 
I'm a little late coming in on this but I think I have a perspective worth sharing. I have never been charged by a grizz, although they say there are grizzlies nearby, and although I've shot my share of blackies , I can't say that I've ever had a life threatening experience with them. Polar bears on the other hand, are a source of great interest to me. In our little community there are usually 3-6 defense kills per year, last year a large bear jumped on the hood of the CO's truck and they thought it would be in the cab with them before they could kill it. I've witnessed some shootings and participated in others. I've worked as a bear guard for contractors working in the area, and do wildlife control at the airport. One time a bear wandered out onto the apron right at flight time, lots of people on the apron. I went out there specifically to kill that bear thinking that was a safer course of action than attempting to scare it off. It didn't work out that way. The bear obviously read my mind, I circled around him putting the truck between him and the folks on the apron, at that point he bolted. He ran headlong into the chain link fence, peeling it off about 3 posts, then he tried to hide behind a crate. At that point I didn't have the heart to shoot him and was able to chase him off.

One year the DNR guys went into an area you've probably seen on polar bear specials on TV, where the bears interact with sled dogs. I guess they figured there were too many bears and too many stupid people and the situation had become unsafe, so they went in and darted everything in sight. There were more than a dozen bears there, and apparently they lost count of which bears they had darted. One young guy, a seasonal hire, got out of his truck, now I don't know what he was thinking, but he walks towards a darted bear without a gun!! Another bear to his, and fortunately to my left, was sleeping, not darted, gets up, and begins an intercept course with this young guy, who still hadn't even seen him. I'm thinking, well this one's for free, I idle my truck forward with the .416's snout out the window, wouldn't you know the damn bear turned off!

Over the last 23 years, I've personally had dozens of contacts which most would consider justifiable shooting situations, but I've held my fire and everyone went away unharmed. As a result I tend to work closer than I probably should; whether that bites me in the ass some day remains to be seen. But I've learned things like live fire is a poor scare device, and that the bear tends to slowly turn and walk away in a slow stiff legged, manner unless you hit him with rock fragments or pieces of frozen tundra from the bullet impact, then he'll bolt. And I've learned a bit about their personal space, and their reactions to having it infringed upon. Cracker shells combined with rubber bullets work best to move a bear along, and most bears will gallop off in an impressive manner from them. But I recall one female with cubs that got up against a hillside and even though I hammered her with rubber bullets, she wasn't going anywhere. I backed off when it appeared that she would charge. Although I wanted to push her out to the coast, it appeared there was some reason she didn't want to go that way. Perhaps there was a large male in the area that would kill her cubs. The upity learn-ned folks refer to small cubs as coy, an acronym for cubs of the year.

I have also discovered that as much as we might consider the big males as potentially the most dangerous, they are typically the bears you won't have trouble with. A female protecting her cubs are probably the most dangerous if you come upon them unexpectedly. Next would be a predatory bear which could be any bear of any size, ###, or age, best not to act like a seal, such as by sleeping in a dark shinny sleeping bag out on the sea ice while seal hunting and having lots of seal scent around. The next most dangerous are the teenagers. these guys are on their own for the first time, nothing scares them, they are always hungry, and way too curious to be safe. If you have trouble with a bear, chances are it will be one of these guys. The big males can be dangerous under the right conditions. My wife found out when she drove up beside one sleeping in a a big patch of seaweed. She was concentrating on several other bears out at the tide line, and she didn't see it until it became disturbed by her presence and got up. She has a pic of what looks like a chunk of limestone sticking out of the seaweed, which is a pretty common sight along the coast, and it appears right at the bottom edge of the truck window, she was actually taking a pic of the bears farther out. The next few pics are of one of the biggest bears I've ever seen, getting up and looking quite put out. All of these bears were feeding on a whale carcass, although the pic doesn't show it well, his coat is covered in blood.

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Stumbling onto a bear unexpectedly at very close range remains the most likely way of getting into a shooting situation. Once that happens you are well inside their personal space, even though polar bears have a very small personal space compared to say a grizzly, which may act aggressively when you are still some distance away. Once inside their personal space, anything can happen, but what will happen is that they will approach you. That is unnerving to the uninitiated. When I've found myself in that situation, I've found that running directly at the bear puts him in a fight or flight dilemma, and fortunately for me, has thus far in my experience resulted in flight. A pal of mine tried it with a female with cubs,; he's luck to be alive. He managed to get back into the tour bus . . by the skin of her teeth. How can you stumble onto a white bear in open country unexpectedly? Well, sort of like this . . .

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Great post Boomer, I'm really glad the perspective of even though you could have shot many times, you haven't yet joined this thread. That's something to be a lot more proud of than ten charge stories ending in kills.

I find it curious when guys on here claim multiple defensive bear kills, when northern CO's I meet at work who've been wrangling Grizzlies and Blacks for decades haven't. A lot of it is your experience with the animals, you're one of the few who has it.
 
Unbeleavable how they can blend in so well with the surrondings ,can deffinatly see how one could stumble across them and not evan no it.Great pics by the way
 
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I just had to say those were great photos Boomer. I always enjoy reading your posts because there's no BS . take care.
 
Thanks for the great post and pics, Boomer. That one photo showing the bears face looking at the camera in the centre of a grey field of blowing snow is awesome.

My only experience is with black bears, and in years of hunting and observing them I have been unfortunate enough to have had one encounter that resulted in my sustaining some relatively minor injuries. A medium-sized bear was raiding my bird-feeders and the dogs in the kennel were going insane. I ran out with a 12-gauge in my right hand and pepper spray in my left, clad only in my skivvies. A blast of pepper sent the bear packing so fast that he went right through the decorative wooden fence surrounding the bird-feeding area. The next day, while fixing the fence, I smashed my thumb so hard with a hammer that it required an x-ray and a couple of stitches.:redface:

Damned bears!
 
Boomer.... Most excellent post man....

My suggestion, quote yourself and then highlight all of the text and save it on your computer as a word document.... Then, every time one of these bear defence threads pop up cut and paste the text into a post here.... voila... instant perfect canned bear defence thread response...... great job bud
 
I've come across several bears, but its always been when I'm backpacking in the National or Provincial parks, so I don't have a firearm. I've seen probably about half-a-dozen grizzlies, and not felt in danger at all. I just gave them a lot of space and carried on my way. Black bears are even less of a concern to me.

Until last summer when I was in Kananaskis on a fairly popular trail when my friend and I saw a young grizzly. The bear wasn't huge or anything, and had probably recently left it's mother. It came out of the trees into a clearing about 50 feet away from us, and slowly walked directly at us. We were backing up slowly and speaking gently but firmly to it. It kept coming. The ears were forward, and it looked like a curious dog. But it kept coming closer and I was getting nervous. When it was about 10 feet away it all of a sudden bolted into the trees. There was a group of 4 people just coming around the corner of the trail behind my friend and I. I'm sure glad they came along because I'm certain that's what made the bear decide to leave.

Like I said, the bear wasn't huge, and wasn't acting mean or anything, but I'm sure glad we didn't have to find out what was on the bear's mind, and why it was intent on getting right up to us.
 
I fear that if we merged all of the bear defense threads into one that we'd break the interwebs.

Then again, we could cherry-pick the best posts, like Boomer's and place the thread just under the "introduce yourself" and the FAQs. It could save some browsing time for the regulars.

Keep it up and someone will change the firearms course to include this as a trick question. :p
 
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