Bear defense

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Hey all,
Over the past couple months have been looking into something I can use as bear defense when out backpacking and camping(I have bear spray as a first level of defense). I'm looking for something that is cheap, light, small and effective. I've been looking at the Churchill shortys that north sylva recently brought in as a cheap beater bush gun, but I am unsure of the quality. I also was recently offered on a trade a mares leg in .357 magnum but Im not sure if this caliber is sufficient enough. Any input or suggestions on what would fit these categories would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tyler
 
I have used my bear banger on several occassions, never fired a bullet at a bear I didnt want to eat..

Pay attention to your surroundings,, berry bushes ,,strange smells of rotten meat,, smelly bears,, the bears will generally smell or see you first...
Then leave the area..with out you even knowing...
Bear bangers are cheap and effective as a first line off defence.. fire over top of your position, the loud bang should spook the bear away for you .
I still carry my marsleg in 44 r.m. loaded hot with 300gr xtp for peace of mind..
Enjoy the wilderness..
 
I'd pass on the mare's leg, and stick with a 12 ga. The .357 represents a minimum threshold if you are carrying a handgun, but there is no need to limit yourself to that extent when carrying a long gun. Pump shotguns tend to be less expensive than rifles that are suitable for self defense. A 12 ga provides the added versatility of firing less lethal ammunition such as cracker-shells and rubber bullets, although combining less lethal and lethal ammunition in the same gun is a practice I disapprove of for a bunch of reasons. Given the current fire situation in BC, it behooves anyone using cracker-shells or any other pyrotechnic to use extreme caution. If you fire the cracker-shell straight up, it reduces the chance of fire, and eliminates the problem of the cracker exploding behind the bear.

For a new out of the box, reliable, low cost gun, consider a Mossberg Maverick 88. At one time I had a low opinion of this gun, but the recent ones I've handled and fired leave nothing to be desired. The actions cycle smoothly and the triggers break cleanly. If you're willing to spend a bit more, look for a new or used Mossberg 500 or better yet a 590. I carry a 590 with a Magpul SGA buttstock, which uses spacers for adjusting the length of pull. Avoid guns with very short barrels, where you hand could inadvertently slide forward off the forend and in front of the muzzle as you fire. The damage would be life changing, and if in a remote area, might not be survivable.



Sights on shotguns are a bit of a problem. Low cost guns frequently have bead front sight mounted directly on the barrel. This puts the bead lower than the height of the receiver, and will cause you to shoot high, if you put the bead in the center of the target. Consider putting rifle sight s on your gun if it doesn't come with them, or a pedestal under the bead to raise it above the height of the receiver. A technique that can be used is that once you have your sight picture, depress the muzzle until the bead disappears from your line of sight, and the moment that happens, press the trigger. While its not intuitive, it works after a fashion if you practice. Some folks claim they just need to hide half of the bead, so they don't entirely lose their aiming point.

So I'm a little concerned with your desire for a "beater gun". In my experience, which is considerable, too often folks buy cheap guns, then neglect and abuse them, because they're cheap beaters, to the point that they won't function when they need to. In that condition the gun cannot save you. What is your life worth? Buy a good reliable gun. Don't worry about using it in the rain, it will tolerate that provided its wiped dry and oiled at the end of the day. Be aware that in wet environments shotgun shells tarnish quickly when exposed to the elements, and become difficult to cycle. So on extended trips, ensure the gun is unloaded at least daily and the shells from both the magazine and side saddle are wiped dry before being reloaded. Both the bore and the magazine should be patched out if they get wet. If you are operating in steep, slippery, rocky, country, a heat shield will help protect the thin barrel from being dented in the case of a fall.

The correct ammunition for bear defense is slugs, buckshot has no advantage except in circumstances where over-penetration might endanger others; I'm thinking here of towns and crowded camp grounds. At the range at which you will shoot a bear, the pattern of the buckshot will still be very tight, and the gun must be aimed with the same precision as a rifle. Consider that as a rule of thumb, shot patterns open up at a rate of about an inch per yard. A bear can't hurt you if it can't touch you, so the purpose of shooting is to prevent the bear from touching you. That suggests a range of say 3-5 yards, and at 5 yards the pattern is unlikely to be larger than 5". Don't shoot center of mass, shoot for the spine or the brain. If the bear is broadside shoot for the point of the shoulder or the hip. Once he's immobilized, he can be killed with a head shot. I like Rottweil Brenneke slugs, and Challengers are my second choice. In buckshot, the stuff that provides the densest patterns in my gun are 3" Federal Premium 00 Buck. I keep the magazine filled with slugs, and have 6 buckshot loads in the sidesaddle since this is the gun I use close to, and around town.

If you intend to shoot less lethal rounds, fire them singly, loaded through the ejection port. If you buy a gun like a Winchester Defender, the elevator might have lips that make it easier to load from the magazine, if so carry the gun with 1 round short of having the magazine fully loaded, then single load the less lethal round into the magazine and cycle the action to chamber it. An extended magazine offers little advantage in the bear defense role, and when fully loaded adds weight to the gun, making it more fatiguing to carry for long hours, and increases the chances of it being left behind when bear sign is not evident. The gun should have a sling, a simple nylon carry strap works fine, I prefer 1.25" slings to the 1" models. The important thing is to practice loading and unloading the gun. Once you get it, do it in the dark, do it upside down. Work out a reliable system for selecting a shell that is different in type than what you have in the magazine, and get it in the chamber. This might be through the ejection port or fed from the magazine. If you need another one, you have to cycle the action only part way so the fired round is ejected, but the subsequent round in the magazine isn't released. If it is, roll the gun on its side to drop the the round from the magazine out of the ejection port.

Hope this helps.
 
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Boomer's post is gonna be some , if not the best advice you are gonna get in this thread.
Bear defense threads on CGN have long been a source of mindless entertainment , usually followed by a few folks going pink temporarily or forever hahaha
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Boomer's post is gonna be some , if not the best advice you are gonna get in this thread.
Bear defense threads on CGN have long been a source of mindless entertainment , usually followed by a few folks going pink temporarily or forever hahaha

We’ve had “ bear defense” threads before ?
 
I think I'm going with a marlin 1895 gbl in 45/70. Seems to be the best option for me. Thanks everyone who posted a reply!
 
Who is afraid of dying in a car accident?

I guess you are 20'000 times more likely to die in a car accident ... than from a bear attack ....

https://www.thealaskalife.com/outdoors/bear-attacks-statistic/

Bit of a goofy way at looking at it, will be a huge relief knowing next Grizzly charge I can relax and casually tell the bear I don’t need to worry about her, I’m looking out for a distracted soccer mom. Like saying you only have a slim chance of dying of smoking as a Canadian, without looking at if you smoke or not. I guide bear hunts and trips in Grizzly country for a living, and 95% of Americans live where there are no Grizzly Bears. Figure we have the same risk exposure...? Or that I have the same exposure to traffic accidents urban Americans do? :)
 
Bit of a goofy way at looking at it, will be a huge relief knowing next Grizzly charge I can relax and casually tell the bear I don’t need to worry about her, I’m looking out for a distracted soccer mom. Like saying you only have a slim chance of dying of smoking as a Canadian, without looking at if you smoke or not. I guide bear hunts and trips in Grizzly country for a living, and 95% of Americans live where there are no Grizzly Bears. Figure we have the same risk exposure...? Or that I have the same exposure to traffic accidents urban Americans do? :)

Ardent, good point ....
 
The only logical bear defence is a self defence bear.

You need to sneak into a hibrenating mother grizzley bears den and steal the biggest most promising male cub and hand feed it until adulthood.

You then have to find an illegal dog fight and let him cut his teeth on fighting first one dog then more as he gains confidence. Make sure to praise him and show him love because he isnt an unloved pit fighting dog he is your self defence bear.

Next you need to put him up against some black bears or maybe an ornrey old bull, de horned for safety of course.

Make sure he is well fed and obedience trained, because you don't want him to be a neighborhood nusance getiing into garbage cans or pooping on you neighbors lawn.

Now you can confidently walk in any wooded area or even Toronto and feel safe and secure with your self defence bear. Easy peasy.
As a bonus you don't need to carry a gun for woodland self defence and that should make liberal sjw's happy.
 
I was suprised with the quality/fit and finish if the canuck shortys , but would recomend a 870 configured the same way if you can handle heavier loads. If not put a regular buttstock on it .
 
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