Bear Gun

go to garrett cartridges web site. they build specialty loads for the marlin45-70. lots of info and stories of bear kills.

Lots of stories, but you don't find Garrett ammo for sale in Canada very often. I don't think they are on the DNR list of approved small arms ammo. Still, the .45/70 is pretty easy to handload, even with a Lee Loader, so there is no reason why you couldn't get some 480 gr WFN hard cast slugs from Ben, some Winchester brass, a pound of 3031, some large rifle primers and match anything Garrett has to offer at 10X the price.
 
More common sense coming out of these threads than I've seen in a long time!
Boomer, what you said about the Garrett bullet issue, is exactly what I thought when I read the original post. "I can make my own, thank you."
And Gatehouse, your Trapper is a great rifle for that purpose. I have the Marlin in 44 Magnum and I think the same about it. The 44 in a rifle is like a Redhawk on super steroids.
And the two things you mention, mostly carry, little shoot, is so true. So you want a light, fast, good handling and easy to carry gun. These little lever rifles are all of that, in spades. In BC it is probably more likely to need a defence against a cougar, rather than a bear. Again, the little levers are perfect.
I have legally carried a Super Blackhawk in the bush. But like you mention, a light lever on a sling over the shoulder is almost as easy to carry, and more effective, if you did happen to need it.
 
Thanks guys, when i posted this i didn't think id get so many replies. If i'm getting a rifle its gonna be the 45-70 Marlin SBL. and if i decide on a shotgun, i'm not totally sure yet, what one i will pick
 
I've pretty much settled on a .45 Colt for bear defense.

I use a 300gr cast bullet with a big flat meplat, purchased from OMA bullets. I load it pretty hot and it comes out of the Mdl 94 Trappers 16" barrel at about 1600 fps.

I used to carry a pump shotgun and of course I've carried lots of hunting rifles that were more than up to the task, but I've decided that I'm much more likely to carry the rifle than shoot it at a bear, so why not go with the closest thing to a handgun I can carry without bothering with ATC permits.

the rifle is so light and handy, you hardly know it's there, and it packs enough whump to make any bear pay attention right away.

There are some areas of BC that I've been that are really thick with grizzlies, and in those cases, I'd take the .375 Ruger.

What!

It will bounce off! :D

I've actually though of doing just that.
What do those things hold 10 rounds?
 
Oh come on Manbearpig, you know very well that only polar bears can ride sharks.

^perhaps, but you must prepare for all eventualities.

what if a bear throws a shark at you?
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what if you encounter an undead bearshark?
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one must always be prepared.
 
I have been attacked by a large grizzly(really it was after my dog), & i killed it nicely with my 30-30. The bear was in full blast attack mode & my first shot through its heart was not even noticed, although it would have obviously died while mauling us. My second shot was in its spine, & stopped the attack. I really dont believe that any larger gun would have done better. I usually carry my ultralight ruger in 30-06, but this is more for the scope mounting platform than because of power as i feel the 30-30 is plenty for any game in canada. If it is a dangerous situation, only a brain or spine shot will end it quickly. Any bullet, no matter how powerful, shot through the guts is not going to stop anything right away. Also as a Yukon Ranger I am totally surprised by the comments about the Lee Enfield being unreliable, in 15 years of group shooting the only failures were caused by new shooters not stacking the ammo properly. Brian.

I enjoyed your post. I am sure that lots of guys who have had success with the huge cartridges assume that a smaller one would not have worked. My 45/70 has 3 cartridges in the magazine, most of the large magnums have 3 or 4 shots. While there is a lot of talk about only having one shot, and making it count, I know a fellow who was charged by a sow and what he assumed were two of last years cubs. There is the chance of having a misadventure with more than one bear at a time, I once saw 7 black bears at a moose kill. I expect that if one had charged me, a few others would have also charged. A Lee Enfield would make me feel as safe as any of my larger rifles.
 
What!

It will bounce off! :D

I've actually though of doing just that.
What do those things hold 10 rounds?


9+1 capacity

I'm actually thinking about sending this to a gunsmith to tune it up a bit, but, not being a real lever gun fan, I dont know exactly what to get done yet other than trigger.;)
 
I just picked up a Marlin 1895 Classic, and am planning on using it as my everything rifle, and also extending the magazine from four to six (thanks to the 22" bbl length I can extend the magazine greatly).
I was planning on using cast 550's for the gun, but have been told that using a faster 405 would probably do more on the second shot. Any suggestions?
 
I carry my Marlin 1894 (44 Mag) in bear country, feel quite comfortable with my choice. As previously noted, more chance of having an issue with cougars than bears in many places.

They are easy to carry due to short barrel and a relative light weight. I sling it muzzle down across my back. A bit of practise and it is in action darn quick yet out of the way even while fly casting.
 
If I may get back to earlier suggestions regarding the Lee Enfield 303 as bear defense, it could certainly be economical, and it was well noted during its war-time use that it was capable of a very fast rate of fire. I'm sure most 303 fans have read that enemy troops, when running into rapid fire Enfields, were sometimes convinced they were facing semi- automatic, or even machine gun fire. Facing a charging bear might be likened to a combat situation. A combat rifle with an excellent reputation could be the right ticket.
 
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