Bear Spray???

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Okay, I dont recall seeing a thread on this, but does it work?

Those who have had to use it, or those who know others who have used it please reply back.

Oh, and Im talking about oleoresincapsicum, not lead!!:)
 
Black bears don't seem to mind the stuff....Hosed down a young problem bear ( large full can of counter assault) and it just blinked its eyes alot, generally got upset, and then ran away.
A few hours later it was back at camp!...Resorted to option two.

FYI option 2 works EVERY time!

Supposedly spray works better on Grizzly than blackys.....Like your going to see me packin this "hair spray" at my coastal bear camp :bsFlag:

I would rather pack a .22.
 
I have sprayed many cans of bear spray. IMO it is useless, might as well take the pepper shaker off of your kitchen table. If there is a breath of wind it is useless.

I have a few kicking around almost all the time, makes great seasoning on steaks. If the wind blows it back in your face consider yourself a seasoned bear meal.

If a bear is pissed off enough to put a full on charge, you had better have some lead to throw because pepper in a can will do SFA.

Take a can out and try it for yourself. I will send you one Powder Burner if you would like to try it out for yourself.

BTW, hippies and tree huggers love it because they don't like firearms :rolleyes:
 
Apparently the spray works in ~95% of all cases it's apllied, apparently.

When my Family is involved, I don't entrust their/my lives to spices or noicemakers. Just "party favors."

I'll go with the 45-70.

99.8% of bears surveyed did not like the 45-70. (Ispos-Reid)
 
agilent_one said:
Apparently the spray works in ~95% of all cases it's apllied, apparently.

When my Family is involved, I don't entrust their/my lives to spices or noicemakers. Just "party favors."

I'll go with the 45-70.

99.8% of bears surveyed did not like the 45-70. (Ispos-Reid)

I call 'noisemakers' dinner bells for bears!
 
Bear spray?????????????????

Does bear spray work, YES IF ALL CONDITIONS ARE CORRECT! Here lies the problem for someone who has not had a bit of tutoring on this. Distance has to be correct, wind should be at your back, what size can to buy and where to aim that first shot. So now comes the panic situation, no time to read the instructions. SPRAY SPRAY the bear is wondering around 20 or more yards away watching this weird performance, no effect. Most of us on this forum have practiced with our rifles.
 
powder burner said:
Those who have had to use it, or those who know others who have used it please reply back.
It works.......not a 100% but what is ???

A firearm is obviously the best defense but not always practical....

I have several Friends that Bow hunt and choose not to be encumbered by a "long arm"
They all carry it and I know it has worked for several of them when needed:)
 
Talking to people that have used it, and they all say it can work if used properly and the can is up to date. You need to get it in the eyes and mouth. I carry it in the bush, but also carry a shotgun, if I lose the shotgun or it jams I have a second line of defence. Make sure you take an old can and try it out so you will know how to use it.
 
We have bear spray. But it was used when we lived in Fort Mac for when the wife took our daughter for a walk in the stroller. There isn't a worse town in Alberta for disregard of responsible dog ownership except for maybe some reserves and more northern towns.:rolleyes:
 
most articles i've read seem that the bears got scared of the visible spray not the effects of it.

i've sprayed bears with police strength pepper spray and they just eat it.
 
pepper spray has little effect on me other than a slight feeling of sand in your eyes, but some people i've seen sprayed are useless for over an hour.

police K9 trainers spray the dogs during training scenarios, it is very rare to deter a dog with spray. most just bite harder.

the most effective bear deterent i have experience with are crackers. SIR in winnipeg sells them, it is a small fire cracker that is launched with a spring loaded launcher about the size of a pen. as far as i know they are legal everywhere.
 
You gotta know what you're doing. In some ways, it's like a gun - the gun without knowledge is ineffective in a 'high stress' situation like a bear attack.

Bear spray is effective. It works. There are literally hundreds of cases well documented that demonstrate this. However, here's some things you should really know:

1 - it's more effective on grizzlies and browns than it is on black bears.

2 - It does work on black bears, BUT - in many many cases the black bear returned within 5 - 10 minutes and continued the attack. If you spray a black bear, use the time to get your gun ready or leave the area. Buy a BIG can because you may have to spray the bear 2 or 3 times before you make it to saftey.

3 - once fired, even once - the can will probably lose pressure. If you want to 'test' it - buy a seperate test can.

4 - do not aim it like a pistol. That's begging for a face full of spray. Fire it from about hip level with your arm forward. There's no need to aim - just walk the spray onto the target.

5 - Range is everything. Too many people fire too soon to do any good at all. Forget what it says on the can - the bear has to be very close to you, as in 15 - 20 ft max. And 15 is better.

6 - once you fire - begin to move upwind, or if the wind is in your face, to one side. Not only will this help to keep the spray out of your face, but even a slight change in position helps to disorient the bear as to where you are.

7 - do not touch your hands to your face after spraying. :)


Guns are not effective 100 percent of the time by any stretch of the imagination. Many people have shot an attacking bear, only to be mauled anyway. A griz with its heart shot will live up to 60 seconds anyway, and in that time he can do a world of hurt to you.

AND - the biggest problem with guns is they're often not ready right when you need 'em. A bear coming out of the woods can be on you faster than you can unsling a gun and rack a round in many cases. Lots of guys have been found dead beside their unfired gun.

But - lets face it, in the hands of a guy who is skilled in it's use and ready for the bear it's probably the best choice.

So -

Pepper spray:

Pros -

Very fast to use. Keep it on your belt and you can get it into action very fast, faster than a rifle in most cases.

Don't have to worry about 'whats behind the bear'.

Can be carried places guns cannot.

Easy to keep with you - you don't put it down like a rifle or shotgun when you're doing something.

Light.

Suitable for non-shooters (with training.).

Disadvantages -

Bear may well come back.

Is VERY close range only - hard to use on a bear you're worried about but hasn't attacked yet.

May somewhat incapacitate you as well if you get a bunch of it in your face. Even if it doesn't, it's going to irritate your eyes a bit.

Guns -

pros:

Tends to kill bears dead. After which, they rarely attack again.

noise and fire of a gun at close range is as much of a disorienting feature as the spray, at ranges under 15 yards or so. Which is a lot more than 15 feet.

Can deal with a bear farther out - 20 yards if it's being hostile and you can kill it and end the threat without waiting for it to actually turn and attack if you feel it's a danger.

Cons -

Slow to bring into action if you're not ready for the attack.

Requires a fair bit of practice to be good with.

If you wound the bear, it will just attack harder (griz only).

You have to worry about hitting others if you're not alone.

Weighs a lot - there's a tendancy to want to put it down 'for a minute' when you're doing stuff.

Not allowed in some places.


A good rule of thumb is that there is no such thing as a 100 percent bear solution. Use a variety of tools - including keeping your camp properly and approaching likely bear feeding areas properly - to maximize your saftey. Guns are part of the solution, so is pepper spray, but BOTH of those are for last -ditch efforts .. it's far better to avoid the confrontation in the first place.

So study a little about bears, learn their habits a bit, and use your head.

(note - one interesting trick i've read about that seems to work very well in many documented cases is wear a hat. If the bear charges without warning and surprises you, grab the hat and fling it into the bears path (low is better - you don't want it going over them). They will often take a moment to attack the hat - batting at it or chewing it. It only buys you about 2 seconds, but often that is enough time to get your gun or pepper spray ready for use. It can be a useful trick in those cases where you're completely surprised by a bear at close range. )
 
powder burner said:
seems like a good time to ask this as well.


How do you know when they are bluff charging or its a real charge?
I will answer that one, if he takes a short run at you and stops then that's a bluff. If he runs and chews on your ass then that's not a bluff.:D
 
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