Bears leg in 44 mag

[pc9]

Will these be coming in?

 

[wallz]

I saw that announcement today as well and thought, hmmmmm!

 

[rberresheim]

Bring them in with a full stock would be cool, and in 30-30 as well

 

[Gumboots]

Isn't this Restricted due to the 25" OAL? Or are we safe?

 

[Suther]

Isn't this Restricted due to the 25" OAL? Or are we safe?

Typically if it's coming from the factory that way it can be NR.

Sounds like stocks to turn em into SBRs aught to be readily available too, from Henrys web page:

Ready for the Next Step

The Bear’s Leg also offers a straightforward path to a Short-Barreled Rifle (SBR) conversion where legally permitted and with approved ATF paperwork. With no need for cutting, threading, or permanent modification, it is already configured for those who want to start with a solid factory foundation for a more compact suppressed build.

A ~14" 45-70 made by Henry rather than Chiappa? I could be interested in that.

 

[poodude999]

Nice firearm

 

[phillyblt]

Those look sweet

 

[Redwire]

Why would I want one in 45-70?

No wait, that's not what I meant. What I meant was 'why do I want one in 45-70?'.

 

[simonsez]

Once a pistol always a pistol.

 

[Suther]

Once a pistol always a pistol.

If sold as a pistol in Canada, yes. But most Mares Leg type designs aren't sold as pistols, most are legally rifles in Canada - Only the 9" Mares Legs are pistols, the 12" ones (which is most of them) are rifles. And these have almost 14" barrels.

Judging by the model names they're based on existing Henry Rifle designs, it's not a new action. For example, the H12 Bears Leg is the 357/44mag version:

.357 Magnum / .44 Magnum
For those looking for a more approachable, highly versatile setup, the pistol-caliber H12 Bear’s Leg models...

But the H12 itself isn't a new model, here is but one model based on the h12 action:
https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/h12-classic-rifle-carbine/

Same can be said about the h9 and h10, the 30-30 and 45-70 models. They already exist as rifles. The Bears Leg is a just a rifle without a stock, which is enough to legally be a pistol stateside, but is ALSO enough to legally be a rifle in Canada.

 

[Johnyy]

Once a pistol always a pistol.

Don't pity the {non}pistol fooo'

 

[Becks357]

I take one if they ever come in to our shores!

 

[Gumboots]

If sold as a pistol in Canada, yes. But most Mares Leg type designs aren't sold as pistols, most are legally rifles in Canada - Only the 9" Mares Legs are pistols, the 12" ones (which is most of them) are rifles. And these have almost 14" barrels.

Judging by the model names they're based on existing Henry Rifle designs, it's not a new action. For example, the H12 Bears Leg is the 357/44mag version:


But the H12 itself isn't a new model, here is but one model based on the h12 action:
https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/h12-classic-rifle-carbine/

Same can be said about the h9 and h10, the 30-30 and 45-70 models. They already exist as rifles. The Bears Leg is a just a rifle without a stock, which is enough to legally be a pistol stateside, but is ALSO enough to legally be a rifle in Canada.

But doesn't the 25" OAL make it a restricted rifle? Even if it's not a pistol, this would be a range toy only.

Here's hoping it gets imported with an SBR stock. I'd definitely get a 14" 45-70 from Henry for up country hunts.

 

[Suther]

But doesn't the 25" OAL make it a restricted rifle? Even if it's not a pistol, this would be a range toy only.

Here's hoping it gets imported with an SBR stock. I'd definitely get a 14" 45-70 from Henry for up country hunts.

Nope. 26" only applies if it folds, collapses, or otherwise.

There are quite a few NR guns that are under 26", such as the 12" barreled Mares legs and the shortest Keltec KSG models.

For example:
https://g4cgunstore.com/product/heritage-settler-mares-leg-22lr-12-5-wood/

 

[pc9]

I take one if they ever come in to our shores!

I would take 2

 

[simonsez]

If sold as a pistol in Canada, yes. But most Mares Leg type designs aren't sold as pistols, most are legally rifles in Canada - Only the 9" Mares Legs are pistols, the 12" ones (which is most of them) are rifles. And these have almost 14" barrels.

Judging by the model names they're based on existing Henry Rifle designs, it's not a new action. For example, the H12 Bears Leg is the 357/44mag version:


But the H12 itself isn't a new model, here is but one model based on the h12 action:
https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/h12-classic-rifle-carbine/

Same can be said about the h9 and h10, the 30-30 and 45-70 models. They already exist as rifles. The Bears Leg is a just a rifle without a stock, which is enough to legally be a pistol stateside, but is ALSO enough to legally be a rifle in Canada.

The mare's leg comes with a shoulder stock and is not marketed as a pistol, unlike this "bear's leg pistol".

 

[Suther]

The mare's leg comes with a shoulder stock and is not marketed as a pistol, unlike this "bear's leg pistol".

Oh yeah?

Yeah. Definitely not marketed as a pistol...

 

[simonsez]

I was thinking about the Chiappa mare's leg.

I guess the shoulder stock is what that makes them non restricted.

Every gun sold without a shoulder stock, with an overall lenght of less than 26 " was categorized as a pistol by the RCMP lab.

I remember Rossi sold 23" AOL pistol grip break action shotgun. They were sold as non-restricted, and then the RCMP changed it for restricted.

Around 2008, there where people here posting videos of them shooting remington 870 modified with dlask 12" barrels and pistol grip. Those where supposed to be non-restricted. RCMP ruled they were pistols.

 

[tinman304]

I was thinking about the Chiappa mare's leg.

I guess the shoulder stock is what that makes them non restricted.

Every gun sold without a shoulder stock, with an overall lenght of less than 26 " was categorized as a pistol by the RCMP lab.

I remember Rossi sold 23" AOL pistol grip break action shotgun. They were sold as non-restricted, and then the RCMP changed it for restricted.

Around 2008, there where people here posting videos of them shooting remington 870 modified with dlask 12" barrels and pistol grip. Those where supposed to be non-restricted. RCMP ruled they were pistols.

https://g4cgunstore.com/product/chiappa-la322-bandit-bootleg-22lr-12-wood/

 

[Suther]

I was thinking about the Chiappa mare's leg.

I guess the shoulder stock is what that makes them non restricted.

Every gun sold without a shoulder stock, with an overall lenght of less than 26 " was categorized as a pistol by the RCMP lab.

I remember Rossi sold 23" AOL pistol grip break action shotgun. They were sold as non-restricted, and then the RCMP changed it for restricted.

Around 2008, there where people here posting videos of them shooting remington 870 modified with dlask 12" barrels and pistol grip. Those where supposed to be non-restricted. RCMP ruled they were pistols.

Dude just give up. There are many examples of guns that are under 26" but perfectly legal.

Here's a Keltec KSG, 21.5", and NR
https://firearmsoutletcanada.com/kel-tec-ksg-tactical-12ga-2-3-4-or-3-13-7-barrel-blk-ksgtac/

And because apparently showing you an example for sale isn't enough, here is the FRT showing the 343mm barrel version (which has on OAL of 21.5") is NR: