Beginner Crossbow ??

jacky said:
Does one need a scope on the crossbow ?? I see that the excaliber's come with a peep sight, is this enough ??
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Sure it's enough. Rifle sights are fine on a gun too. Put a scope on though, and you'll never take it off. It's just plain nicer to see and shoot with. Plus crossbow scopes have multiple crosshairs for 10,20,30,40, and even some 50 yard shooting.
 
Woodsman said:
Sure it's enough. Rifle sights are fine on a gun too. Put a scope on though, and you'll never take it off. It's just plain nicer to see and shoot with. Plus crossbow scopes have multiple crosshairs for 10,20,30,40, and even some 50 yard shooting.
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This tells me I need a package like the phoniex....

What about arrows aluminum ??
 
The Phoenix will do just fine, it will still send an arrow clear through a deer. You do gain some energy from the faster bow, but more importantly the faster speed means a flatter arrow, so what you gain from a slower bow to a faster one is a small amount of forgiveness in range estimation.
The Excalibur scope has a "speed ring" it is actually a 4x zoom scope and the speed ring is a zoom, as you approach faster speeds the chevrons in the scope (30,40 and 50 yards) get closer together when the ring is turned up in speed, or zoomed in closer.
The phoenix is an awesome bow, to an average hunter the only difference between the bows is how far in the ground your arrow goes after a pass through.
 
Pyd, good feedback, thanks very much. I've also been wondering if the Phoenix is "enough" bow...I think you're cleared that up :)

Footprint.
 
Ok here is the deal from my local archery shop/

Phoenix Crossbow package:
Bow
4 aluminum bolts
Mounted scope
Quiver

Plus :
Rope cocking aid
4 Montec broadheads

Total taxes in : $850

Deal or no deal ???
 
Not a bad price, but I would insist on carbon arrows instead of aluminum.

For comparison, this is the price from my local dealer, taxes not included.

Phoenix crossbow - $450

Excalibur Right Stuff Scope Package - $298

includes VariZone 2-4 x 50mm Scope, scope mount, scope rings, quiver bracket, Excalibur 4 arrow Realtree Hardwoods or Realtree AP quiver, deck wax, excel string, rope cocking aid, stringer, 6 Carbon arrows w/vanes & 100gr target points, 6 BoltCutter 3 blade 150gr broadheads
 
hmm yours is a better deal but the shipping to BC would wreck it for me. I think I will go back and insist on carbon arrows. The broadheads he is selling me are 100 gr ?? Are the Montex any good ?? 100 gr good enough for deer ??



delmer said:
Not a bad price, but I would insist on carbon arrows instead of aluminum.

For comparison, this is the price from my local dealer, taxes not included.

Phoenix crossbow - $450

Excalibur Right Stuff Scope Package - $298

includes VariZone 2-4 x 50mm Scope, scope mount, scope rings, quiver bracket, Excalibur 4 arrow Realtree Hardwoods or Realtree AP quiver, deck wax, excel string, rope cocking aid, stringer, 6 Carbon arrows w/vanes & 100gr target points, 6 BoltCutter 3 blade 150gr broadheads
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I popped into my local shop today to have a look at the Excal Equinox. They didn't have it in stock, but they did have the Phoenix. The owner actually set up a target and had me fire it a few times right in the store :D

I'm going back tomorrow to pick it up, as I was very impressed, not just at the bow, but at how many he actually sells. I actually grouped the 4 arrows about 2" apart from about 40-50 feet first try. No recoil either, which was very odd. Quiet as well.

Phoenix package with scope, quiver, 4 bolts/tips was $699.
 
Aluminum Vs. carbon is merely a personal choice, I like the carbon, no idea why though.

100 grain tips, very much enough for deer, but that is not why there are options.
An important factor in arrows is the FOC, the amount of weight "front of center", adding weight to the front of the arrow often makes it more stable in flight, especially when there are variables, like wind.
Often guys with crossbows will add weight the front of the arrow, it can be done a couple different ways. First is to increase the broadhead weight to a 125 grains, easy and cheap. Second is a bit more difficult but many prefer it, and that is to remove the aluminum insert (the part the broadhead screws in to) and replace it with a brass insert, a little more time consuming but adds even more weight and then you can continue to buy and use the readily available stuff in 100 grain.
No matter what though, make sure you practice and use only one weight, having a couple different options around can get confusing, especially if you don't have a scale. I only let 100 grain stuff in to my house to avoid any confusion.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
I suggest you aim at a different target with each bolt. Properly cocked, and carefully aimed, the Phoenix is accurate enough to hit the bolt you just shot, and that gets expensive. (Trust me :redface: )
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That was actually a concern of mine, but he was telling me it won't happen and not worry about it. I took his word for it, aimed them all for the center, and they were all consistently grouped right around the bullseye. Had I had a 5th shot, I wouldn't have been surprised if it contacted one of the 1st 4.

Very impressive bow indeed.
 
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