heavenIsAlie
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Abbotsford
looking for a new belt, is there a good one that will work for idpa and ipsc?
belt for IDPA and IPSC
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IDPA won't allow 'double' belts that are common in IPSC. It has to be 1.75" or less wide. Wilderness Frequent Flyer 5 stitch (plastic 'O' rings) is an excellent belt for IDPA. I've been using one for over 2 years for IDPA (AND on daily basis) and can see it last at least another 6+ years.
One of the reasons I picked Frequent Flyer - I WAS flying in and out of Canada 2-3 times a month and didn't want to take my belt off every frigging time I had to go thru 'security wanna be' at the airport.
One of the reasons I picked Frequent Flyer - I WAS flying in and out of Canada 2-3 times a month and didn't want to take my belt off every frigging time I had to go thru 'security wanna be' at the airport.
"Model 032 ELS Competition Belt"
Wouldn't that be classed as 'competition only gear' ??
I'll 2nd the wilderness style belt for both games. It's a not ideal though, I have a separate belt for each sport. CR Speed for IPSC & 5.11 Casual Leather belt for IDPA. (a 2 piece belt as allowed in IPSC gives a significant advantage)
I have a 5.11 wilderness style too that gets used from time to time.
"Model 032 ELS Competition Belt"
Wouldn't that be classed as 'competition only gear' ??
I'll 2nd the wilderness style belt for both games. It's a not ideal though, I have a separate belt for each sport. CR Speed for IPSC & 5.11 Casual Leather belt for IDPA. (a 2 piece belt as allowed in IPSC gives a significant advantage)
I have a 5.11 wilderness style too that gets used from time to time.
I use Wilderness Freq. Flyer on daily basis for at least 2 years now, use same belt in IDPA; BladeTech holster and double mag pouch.
And I use CR Speed belt for IPSC/USPSA with BladeTech DOH holster and 5 single CR Speed mag pouches living on outer belt.
heavenIsAlie
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Abbotsford
hm i was hoping there would be a good ipsc belt that i could just use the outer belt for idpa
but looks like best bet is two belts. ill look into the wilderness one and the CR speed
but looks like best bet is two belts. ill look into the wilderness one and the CR speed
You don't need a two belt system for IPSC. A good sturdy riggers belt will do fine for both sports. Anyone thinking their belt is giving them an advantage needs to do more front sight, press.
There is something to be said of utilizing one system, one consistent draw stroke, etc. Unless you are planning on shooting open in IPSC, I'd recommend holding off on going with two completely different setups- It can screw you up (from my experience at least).
There is something to be said of utilizing one system, one consistent draw stroke, etc. Unless you are planning on shooting open in IPSC, I'd recommend holding off on going with two completely different setups- It can screw you up (from my experience at least).
1riot1ranger
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Check out Center of Mass Holsters out of Idaho. They have a belt called the "CCW" which is perfect as a 1 belt solution. I use this for IDPA matches (and daily wear - they look great).
They also have double belt systems - the inner belt can be worn for IDPA. These belts are great because the inner belt has its own tensioning loop - unlike my CR Speed which is just a velcro strip.
They also have double belt systems - the inner belt can be worn for IDPA. These belts are great because the inner belt has its own tensioning loop - unlike my CR Speed which is just a velcro strip.
Drawing the gun is faster and more consistent with a 2-piece belt, even with the same holster. Easier to form a grip etc. Nothing at all to do with the front sight. Grip is the 1st fundamental...
Same reason why offset holsters are easier to use. Regardless neither are allowed for men in IDPA.
IMO for either sport a good stiff belt is second only to a safe & sturdy holster.
Nonsense. Time yourself drawing and shooting at 10/15/20m with a regular bladetech and belt and do it again with the DOH and two piece. mix and match as you see fit. I wager a bet the times are virtually identical.
A two piece and a doh holster are 'nice to haves' for an IPSC competition, but one can be just as effective with a regular holster.
The most important piece of the puzzle imho is consistant body mechanics transitioning to sight alignment and trigger control. The less variable to this (changing position of the gun from the body) the better chance a shooter has at working on that consistancy. Once consistancy has been obtained, the shooter can then work on improving the speed of that movement. I've never been able to lower my draw from a 1.4 regardless what whizzy kit I try.
I currently move from a one piece belt for IDPA and a two piece with a doh for IPSC, and can say that it definately hampered me this last weekend.
YMMV, but I highly doubt it.
I've already done the comparison and I am faster and more consistent with a 2 piece belt. Disregarding speed, I find I can form a better grip if the holster is offset from my waist either by a drop & offset piece or simply the extra width of the inner part of a 2 piece belt. The extra 5mm or so makes a difference to me. Better grip = better scores.
I'm not saying that you need a 2 piece belt for IPSC or that a belt is any kind of substitute for practice or skill. However a poor choice of belt will hinder performance and can introduce safety concerns. As I stated above, I tell new shooters that "a good stiff belt is second only to a safe & sturdy holster".
I have shot and won many matches both IPSC and IDPA with a 5.11 wilderness belt holding my gear. Given the option I prefer a 2 piece belt.
There is no question in my mind that the doh and two piece combo and the separation it gives will allow more room for a better grip at the draw. What I'm saying is that will get negated by going from one setup to the next. If one continuously changes the mechanics of their draw, they will never (likely) achieve the consistency they need to improve their draw stroke beyond what it is.
If you are happy with what you are doing now, then good luck with your approach.
If you are happy with what you are doing now, then good luck with your approach.
1riot1ranger
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, AB
I don't use the DOH on my Bladetech.
My 2 piece IPSC rig and 1 piece IDPA belt have the holster in almost exactly the same position. The 1 exception being that the single belt pulls the holster tighter to my body. The vertical position is unchanged. I find there is little issue transitioning between the two setups. The IPSC rig is a bit faster as it has more clearance between the grip and my body.
My IPSC holster is also mounted a little further back than the average bear...
A lot of (IPSC) guys seem to be indexing off of the holster (at the start of the draw) and then driving their hands down onto the grip of the pistol. This is definitely aids in draw consistency, but I haven't worked out how to do it while wearing a vest.
My 2 piece IPSC rig and 1 piece IDPA belt have the holster in almost exactly the same position. The 1 exception being that the single belt pulls the holster tighter to my body. The vertical position is unchanged. I find there is little issue transitioning between the two setups. The IPSC rig is a bit faster as it has more clearance between the grip and my body.
My IPSC holster is also mounted a little further back than the average bear...
A lot of (IPSC) guys seem to be indexing off of the holster (at the start of the draw) and then driving their hands down onto the grip of the pistol. This is definitely aids in draw consistency, but I haven't worked out how to do it while wearing a vest.
heavenIsAlie
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Abbotsford
i like the look of that center of mass belt, going to order one of the double systems
I run a CR Speed holster on a Double Alpha belt in Open IPSC and a Blackhawk CQC on a CR Speed belt for SS in USPSA. These are two completely different guns, rigs and draws. At 15m my Open draw is around 1.0 - 1.05 and my SS draw is 1.10 - 1.15 .....and most of that difference can be attributed to aquiring the sight at that distance, at 7m the draws are even closer and in the .8 range for both, slightly slower for the SS. A little dryfire with both rigs will allow you to have no issue changing.
As for the double belts. More important that having a double belt is having a rigid outer belt. A rigid belt will avoid having the holster move on the draw (doesn't move that much in the first place) and the dreaded mag pouch sag. On hot summer days the synthetic belts get softer and I've seen lots of shooters with their msg pouches sagging and out of position from where they normally draw them from. Also in IPSC we occasionally will hang a prop from our belt, two weeks ago at the Western Pennsylvania Sectional it was a bucket with a weight that was required to be carried through the CoF and used to unlatch a door at the end, everyone was hooking it on their belt, the softer belts like the Safrilands really sagged under the weight and made it an iffy situation whether it would make it to the end of the course, the rigid DA and CR belts had no issue.
