Beltfed .22 AR-15 upper ( Lakeside machine )
- Thread starter cdn_army
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I'm in for one
Cocked&Locked
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i can tell you what DOESN't work lol
Minimags so far, still looking for blazers in my areai can tell you what DOESN't work lol
Well maybe once these things arrive then perhaps a bulk buy of CCI Blazer ammo would be a good idea? How about it Armtac?
I think it has to be a specific type of Blazers though.
Cocked&Locked
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Well maybe once these things arrive then perhaps a bulk buy of CCI Blazer ammo would be a good idea? How about it Armtac?
I think it has to be a specific type of Blazers though.
Took it out again after troubleshooting a cam spring issue. Ran cci blazer like a champ, it's fun dumping 100 round belts, and accurate to boot. 1 failure to fire (round struck, misfire) one jam in feedway (mishappen bullet)
Yes, easy to run if you do your part, but your part will involve more then just lube and load. If you bend the extractor/feed claw, or have a weak spring in the flipper cam......... but OH so much fun
I really need to get a "brick belt"Armtac, are you going to bring in any of the accesories, belt boxes or brass catchers?
If anyone is in the kitchener waterloo area and wants to try one out, we can arrange to meet at Colby shooting range for a demo....you have to fill your own belt
(it's the only depressing part of the exercise.....)
Took it out again after troubleshooting a cam spring issue. Ran cci blazer like a champ, it's fun dumping 100 round belts, and accurate to boot. 1 failure to fire (round struck, misfire) one jam in feedway (mishappen bullet)
Yes, easy to run if you do your part, but your part will involve more then just lube and load. If you bend the extractor/feed claw, or have a weak spring in the flipper cam......... but OH so much fun
Armtac, are you going to bring in any of the accesories, belt boxes or brass catchers?
If anyone is in the kitchener waterloo area and wants to try one out, we can arrange to meet at Colby shooting range for a demo....you have to fill your own belt
Yep, we will have 200rds and 300 rds belts in stock, plus brass catcher and feedbox coming with our shippment. The shipment will be here in 2 to 3 weeks.
In term of ammo, the best recommended one is the CCI Blazer with the wax coating. I am currently talking to other retailers to see who stock them.
Cocked&Locked
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i found blazer in KW at the old Lovet's gun store. I have to order a set of belt boxes and a brass catcher off you, and a couple of the 300 rndersr...the 100 round belts don't last 15 seconds if you get honkin
FwiW if you get the pistol version of this, your limited to 10 rnds max, as it's a rimfire pistol....the joy is in the unlimited mag capacity for rimfire rifle....
only in canada eh? Pity!!
NavyShooter
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Of note,
The Dynapoint ammo from Wal-Mart works in the Razorback, about 49/50 rounds will go boom properly.
Winchester T22 Target ammo (available from LeBaron if they have any in stock) functions well also.
The most likely problem will be faults in loading up the belts. The fabric belts can be easily loaded by hand, (spin the bullets as you insert them) and the uppers are somewhat tolerant of the bullet's alignment fore/aft in the belts.
The plastic links are VERY finicky as to ammo type and alignment. I have not see the links work properly. I think it's the links that need the right type of CCI Blazer ammo. I have not seen a compatible type in Canada.
NS
The Dynapoint ammo from Wal-Mart works in the Razorback, about 49/50 rounds will go boom properly.
Winchester T22 Target ammo (available from LeBaron if they have any in stock) functions well also.
The most likely problem will be faults in loading up the belts. The fabric belts can be easily loaded by hand, (spin the bullets as you insert them) and the uppers are somewhat tolerant of the bullet's alignment fore/aft in the belts.
The plastic links are VERY finicky as to ammo type and alignment. I have not see the links work properly. I think it's the links that need the right type of CCI Blazer ammo. I have not seen a compatible type in Canada.
NS
Lakeside will finally release their new AR15 Lakeside Belt fed upper for 2012 Q1. We will be releasing more information soon and taking order real soon.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=654759
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=654759
Expendable Nate
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isnt it restricted ? if so i guess its a 5 round belt with a safety pin in it
The upper is not restricted as it's not considered a firearm. Since you do need an AR lower, which is restricted, you can only shoot it at an approved range. No limit on the number of rounds you can load as it is only .22 .
My hope is to eventually come up with a lower that will only work with the Razorback upper and not accept any of the AR uppers. I will then submit the lower to the RCMP Tech branch for classification and evaluation, in hopes is gets a non-resticted classification. I still need to get in contact with someone there to find out the proper steps to take before I start making any metal chips.
My hope is to eventually come up with a lower that will only work with the Razorback upper and not accept any of the AR uppers. I will then submit the lower to the RCMP Tech branch for classification and evaluation, in hopes is gets a non-resticted classification. I still need to get in contact with someone there to find out the proper steps to take before I start making any metal chips.
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That's the hard way. Too complicated.
Keep it simple.
If CanAm is right in what he is saying in another thread,
that the RCMP Lab is taking 18 months to review/classify a new gun,
then probably you are not going anywhere with your business plan.
But if you really want to kick ass, then what you want to do
is to reverse engineer that Lakeside upper,
but make it to fit a non-restricted. Like XCR.
Or another popular non-restricted.
I wouldn't do it for Swiss,
because I don't believe their owners would like that.
I wouldn't do it for Thureon or any other obscure piece of crap either.
But the XCR is fairly popular. Maybe the ISSC too.
I bet the importers of XCR (or ISSC, after case)
would be interested to distribute your product.
So, with this upper for a non-restricted,
you will have tons of interest from the market.
Also, you don't have to to build a receiver (firearm),
and because what you build isn't a firearm,
you don't have to submit sh!t to any Lab for approval,
you don't need a firearms business license or any other headache.
Your only problem will be the supply of belts,
but I let you figure it out by yourself.
However, I have to tell you that there are other people who went
with this thing build to fit the XCR
and their project is in fairly advanced stages
(but they are known to have change their mind before at the last moment though).
Who knows, maybe you can do it before them.
Good luck.
That's the hard way. Too complicated.
Keep it simple.
If CanAm is right in what he is saying in another thread,
that the RCMP Lab is taking 18 months to review/classify a new gun,
then probably you are not going anywhere with your business plan.
But if you really want to kick ass, then what you want to do
is to reverse engineer that Lakeside upper,
but make it to fit a non-restricted. Like XCR.
Or another popular non-restricted.
I wouldn't do it for Swiss,
because I don't believe their owners would like that.
I wouldn't do it for Thureon or any other obscure piece of crap either.
But the XCR is fairly popular. Maybe the ISSC too.
I bet the importers of XCR (or ISSC, after case)
would be interested to distribute your product.
So, with this upper for a non-restricted,
you will have tons of interest from the market.
Also, you don't have to to build a receiver (firearm),
and because what you build isn't a firearm,
you don't have to submit sh!t to any Lab for approval,
you don't need a firearms business license or any other headache.
Your only problem will be the supply of belts,
but I let you figure it out by yourself.
However, I have to tell you that there are other people who went
with this thing build to fit the XCR
and their project is in fairly advanced stages
(but they are known to have change their mind before at the last moment though).
Who knows, maybe you can do it before them.
Good luck.
I am not looking at it as a business apportunity since I don't plan to reproduce them. I more or less wanted to come with an approved design and allow some other Canadian firearms manufacture to build and supply them to people. If I had a CNC machining center I might consider doing it myself but I don't. It's more or less one of those "could I do it" projects. I believe it is possible to do. Just a matter of finding the time to get to it. Perhaps over the winter time. If someone else beats me to it....fantastic. Saves me the trouble. LOL
As for the belts. If you had a large enough order you could probably buy them from Lakeside themselves. I have enought belts for my own use.
Why do you seem to think that restricted would make it 5 rounds?
Restricted or non has no bearing on the magazine capacity of firearms.
It goes like this:
Pump, lever, bolt and Rimfire long guns do not have to be neutered.
All pistols are neutered to 10.
All semi centerfire long guns are neutered to 5.
That is the basics of it.
The garand has an exemption because there is no way to pin to 5.
Rimfire rifles that use the same mags as a rimfire pistol must be capped at 10.
Centerfire rifles that are capable of using pistol magazines may use them legally at the 10 round pistol neuter.
There is probably a point or 2 I missed, but the classification of the firearm has no bearing on the capacity. NR, R and 12.x guns all follow the above rules.
