Benelli M4

tjhaile said:
Oh, really? Have a look at this thread and note especially what Pat Rogers and DocGKR (aka Dr. Gary Roberts) have to say:

http://tacticalforums.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001022.html

A search on m4carbine.net indicates mixed results with the M4:

http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-2541.html

http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-30469.html

Semi-auto shotguns can work very well for hunting or playing games, but they still come up a bit short as combat weapons (this is the black and green shotguns forum, right?).
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Apples and oranges, it sounds like those folks are primarily looking for something to employ less lethal and breaching rounds with, not as primary defensive arm. Most of the problems with tactical semi autos, assuming a good recent design, stem from being used with reduced recoil buck or birdshot, when run with full power combat loads they are more real world reliable than pumps once you figure in short stroking under stress, and increasingly, malfunctions due to bad build quality in what are now seen as budget guns.
 
sprint said:
Me neither. If I do, my wife's gonna be pissed. And probably submit me for psychiatric testing.


More important switch Bearkilr. Bagged anything with a rifled slug out of your shotty? Where do you hunt with it?
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I've used it as backup/follow up on bear and deer. So far 2 bear and 1 deer, all were wounded. Slugs were Brenneke Gold 3", made a helluva mess, range 20 yards and less.
 
sprint said:
Just did a shoot out between the two

Not a torture test. Just a friendly ~500+ shell comparison in an odd real world parallel of this thread.

I think we used up a case of lightweight #7.5 target loads each, and a variety of other premium loads for testing on top of that.


Dead honest? I've never owned an M2 myself and this is the first one I've seen run any harder than an average 3-gun stage.

That said, from the stoppages the M2 encountered when configured as anything other than bone stock (no light, no rail - nada - consistent across 2 /34 dram, 3 dram eq, 00 Buck, 000 Buck, run it wetter or run it dryer) I'm not real motivated to look a lot harder at it as a viable option.

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Thanks for posting. Some have found that the m2 needs a break in period of 500 heavy loads, after that it will digest everything without having to worry much about stance and grip. Iwould still pay ten times the price for an m2 over an m4 and trust it over a pump any day. Just me, but then who uses these for life preservation???
 
I just got my M2 and it is the nice looking gun I ever paid for :) I have not shot it yet but I may get out fri night. Although I have shot the M1S90 and it was slick as Sh*t even with light loads :D
 
dizzy said:
Thanks for posting. Some have found that the m2 needs a break in period of 500 heavy loads, after that it will digest everything without having to worry much about stance and grip. Iwould still pay ten times the price for an m2 over an m4 and trust it over a pump any day. Just me, but then who uses these for life preservation???
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Ditto. Thanks for the feedback. It would be a shame for him to have to sell all his extra $hizzit. I'll let him know about the 500 round break in, and we'll feed that thing some premium diet

Meantime, post a vid or two if you've got it.


Cheers.
 
so many haters... both pump and semi have their uses inertia vs. gas both has advantage and disadvantages. Just pick one that you like best and practice with it.

Pump is cheaper and simpler than a semi, that's a given, less maintenance, more capacity etc.

Semi's advantage lies in quicker follow up shots for 99% of the people, who don't practice twice a day with a pump.

Inertia is cleaner to operate and might be lighter because less parts, less maintenance, etc.

Gas is dirtier, but works independent of how much stuff you add to your gun. If you are an accessory junkie, then gas is preferred over inertia. Because once you start adding all sorts of things like lights, side saddle etc on the gun, the M2 will not cycle reliably for different loads, especially the lighter loads.

The gas system on the M4 has been designed to work for both light and heavy loads and after very little breaking in, it's good to go, and you can ad whatever you like to the. That's why the gas system was used instead of inertia, because the designers of the M4 foresaw the military users adding stuff to the gun.
 
The M4 is an unbelievable shotgun, you wont be dissapointed. If you are going tactical. I have fired a few hundred rounds thru mine on the two times I have been out. 3inch number 2 shot. Only clay shooting basically so far but I think its amazing. I now have the pleasure of owning 12 different firearms all of which i have purchased in the last 10 months and my benelli M4Super90 is my favorite purchase.
 
I too am in the market for a tactical semi shotgun, I am hoping to save enough for an M4 but will probably go with a mossberg 930 if i can't wait any longer. I've never seen one in Ottawa. I did find one at Prophet River firearms. let me know if you find one in Ottawa.
 
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I got my m4 on Tuesday and have put 1000+ rounds through it so far. Not a single stoppage with the 300 or so slugs/buckshot I put through it, and about 30 of those slugs were of the low recoil variety. I put 3 cheapo winchester target flats through it, and had about 10 stoppages with the two flats of 1200fps stuff and none with the flat of 1300 fps shells. First day, 105 slugs, second day 120 high powered loads and a flat of 1200 fps target loads followed by a cleaning. All the stoppages occured at the end of the day yesterday after putting 80 or so high powered loads and most of two target flats through it. It's expensive for a shotgun, but after running it hard like that, I feel that it's worth every penny. It feels like quality, soaks up recoil decently and shoots better than any other shotgun I've tried.
 
I should also add that I experienced far fewer stoppages with the cheap stuff in the benelli than I do with my Remington 870 express tactical. Not sure if this is common or not, maybe my gun needs to have the chamber polished a bit, but every fifth shell or so will be really hard to extract. Like both hands on the pump hard, and I'm not a small guy. This only happens with low base non brass hulls, but it's still a pain in the a**.
 
mkwn said:
I should also add that I experienced far fewer stoppages with the cheap stuff in the benelli than I do with my Remington 870 express tactical. Not sure if this is common or not, maybe my gun needs to have the chamber polished a bit, but every fifth shell or so will be really hard to extract. Like both hands on the pump hard, and I'm not a small guy. This only happens with low base non brass hulls, but it's still a pain in the a**.
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There is your answer ;)
 
mkwn said:
I got my m4 on Tuesday and have put 1000+ rounds through it so far. Not a single stoppage with the 300 or so slugs/buckshot I put through it, and about 30 of those slugs were of the low recoil variety. I put 3 cheapo winchester target flats through it, and had about 10 stoppages with the two flats of 1200fps stuff and none with the flat of 1300 fps shells. First day, 105 slugs, second day 120 high powered loads and a flat of 1200 fps target loads followed by a cleaning. All the stoppages occured at the end of the day yesterday after putting 80 or so high powered loads and most of two target flats through it. It's expensive for a shotgun, but after running it hard like that, I feel that it's worth every penny. It feels like quality, soaks up recoil decently and shoots better than any other shotgun I've tried.
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Keep the rear tangs of the bolt lubed up with grease and the Benelli M4 will cycle any type of load from low powered to high powered slugs and buck. Never have had a stoppage of any type with my M4.
 
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