Benelli MR-1 factory guaranteed accuracy?

Zeroed-In said:
Thanks for the pic. and info., I was trying to find the height of the rings necessary to clear the rear factory MR-1 site (with the Vortex 4-16 44 scope, being able to clear the rear site with the rear of the scope) so I could use the rings as they are correctly worn (one in front & one in rear of turrets and have full adjustability forward and rearward of the scope) and to determine if an adjustable cheek rest would be required, but I appreciate the reply.

I plan on using that exact Vortex scope if I go the route of a MR-1 rifle.

Cheers D
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The MR1 has the Zeiss, which I think is a 1" tube and not a 30mm like the Vortex. I just took a better pic for you and uploaded it. Hight of the rings are 2" from top to bottom and you need 1" minimum to clear the rear sight. Tube sits in the space perfectly. I think you'd need a little higher for the vortex. (Sorry but I'm not switching rings to test for you.) ;c)

MR1 with Zeiss scope. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfgw0a6vpxwxg5e/20150930-4.jpg

I originally removed my rear sight and installed the scope "properly" but later wanted the iron sights as well so set it up this way. So far, in over a year of use and a few thousand rounds, all is well and holding zero.
 
Zen_Seeker said:
The MR1 has the Zeiss, which I think is a 1" tube and not a 30mm like the Vortex. I just took a better pic for you and uploaded it. Hight of the rings are 2" from top to bottom and you need 1" minimum to clear the rear sight. Tube sits in the space perfectly. I think you'd need a little higher for the vortex. (Sorry but I'm not switching rings to test for you.) ;c)

MR1 with Zeiss scope. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfgw0a6vpxwxg5e/20150930-4.jpg

I originally removed my rear sight and installed the scope "properly" but later wanted the iron sights as well so set it up this way. So far, in over a year of use and a few thousand rounds, all is well and holding zero.
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Good to here your rings set-up is working out well and that your still happy with your MR-1 after so many rounds fired.

I understand the desire to keep the factory rear site even when scoped. I thought about adding the ATRS picatinny rail that replaces the rear site/factory rail, but then I still lose the factory rear site and I don't think an aftermarket flip up back up site would match (align correctly) to the front factory site?

Modern scopes are very reliable, but a back up site is always nice to have. Also having the option to shoot open sites can be desirable every now and then.

My choice would likely be to use rings high enough to clear the factory rear site allowing enough clearance that the rear scope bell would clear the site for the most flexibility with setting up eye relief (probably rings a 1/2" higher then you're or more).

How is your eye relief now with the scope set-up as is?

Also not knowing the rifle, is the front site easily removed?

Thanks for taking the time to take/add another pic. along with all the info. in your reply, it is very appreciated.:cheers:

Cheers D
 
Zeroed-In said:
Good to here your rings set-up is working out well and that your still happy with your MR-1 after so many rounds fired.
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It goes in today for repair of the crown, or inspection as they put it... I'll update on how that turns out in this thread as well.

My choice would likely be to use rings high enough to clear the factory rear site allowing enough clearance that the rear scope bell would clear the site for the most flexibility with setting up eye relief (probably rings a 1/2" higher then you're or more).
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Half inch higher might be to high for cheek weld but would let you use the iron sights without removing the scope I think. It's the rear housing for the zoom that is different. It's bigger on the Vortex than the Zeiss. Comfort stock might help as well, can't say as I haven't tried it.

How is your eye relief now with the scope set-up as is?
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I'm tall with long arms so I have the stock fully extended when I shoot and cheek weld is fine along with eye relief. Should be okay for CQC as well with the stock closed but I haven't tested that either. I had a red dot on it for a while but went back to the scope as I like longer shots with better POI control. Red dot is on the SKS now which is fun and a better match.

Also not knowing the rifle, is the front site easily removed?
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The sight post yes, the sides are part of the hand guard so no. So far not an issue.

Thanks for taking the time to take/add another pic. along with all the info. in your reply, it is very appreciated.:cheers:
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NP! Had a lot of help here myself with the M305. Pay it forward works. :)
Did that EE deal in BC look any good to you? For $1100 I thought is was worth a look. Had it been in my area I'd have had a look at it.
 
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Here is what my cousin did to his MR1. Made his own adjustable cheek rest. Works awesome!
 
Zeroed-In said:
Thanks Tenguns and Forest1488 the more info. the better (especially nice when it's positive input). Yeah Caramel is a good shot, but that just comes with correct procedures and practice.

Cheers D
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Caramel seems to talk and post a lot. Has he ever shot with anyone? Judging from his videos, I'm baffled by all his claims.
 
While I'm not privy to all of Caramels video's/claims, it's obvious from the few pic.'s I've seen Caramel's an avid gun collector with the means to enjoy all his firearms throughly.

Caramel does appear to partake in shooting practice often, generally uses very high quality optics/firearms plus quality ammo. (hand loaded ammo. at times too) and seems knowledgable on the topic of firearms (likely been an avid shooter for decades possibly?).

It all seems like a fine combination for evoking good groups and since I don't recall any of Caramel's posts claiming outstandingly absurd reports of accuracy or unbelievable groups, why so skeptical.
Perhaps you could point to one of Caramels claims of marksmanship that has you so baffled?

IIRC I recall one or two other members speaking of range visits with Caramel, plus from all his pic.'s etc. it would seem he does do a fair bit of shooting and owns an outstanding collection of firearms.

Last time I looked Caramel was doing very well (actually has placed 1st, 3rd and 6th with the only sub-3/4" MOA groupings) in the "My Black Rifle shoots sub-MOA all day 2015 Trinimon Challenge" (=#5 x #5 round groups at a 100M all sub-MOA), which is no easy feat with any rifle never mind a semi.-auto. black rifle.

Tenguns said:
Caramel seems to talk and post a lot. Has he ever shot with anyone? Judging from his videos, I'm baffled by all his claims.
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Now I must thank you for posting up what appears to be a very nice looking MR-1. It's displaying an adjustable comb similar to what I thought would be necessary with scope rings high enough to allow a full size scope to clear the factory rear site. Very happy to see it's working well for your cousin.

Did your cousin remove the rear site because clearances were to tight? Any knowledge of your cousins best groups at a 100M and with what ammo.?

Cheers D
 
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Tenguns said:
Caramel seems to talk and post a lot. Has he ever shot with anyone? Judging from his videos, I'm baffled by all his claims.
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Yah Cara has the cash and the skill, I think he's in France these days for his yearly migration.
He's been shooting for a while and recently got into black rifles, I think about 3 or 4 years ago.
 
Now I must thank you for posting up what appears to be a very nice looking MR-1. It's displaying an adjustable comb similar to what I thought would be necessary with scope rings high enough to allow a full size scope to clear the factory rear site. Very happy to see it's working well for your cousin.

Did your cousin remove the rear site because clearances were to tight? Any knowledge of your cousins best groups at a 100M and with what ammo.?
Ya, rear sight removed to mount optics. This is the rifle I posted about earlier. It's a 1.5-2MOA rifle with hand loads. Once I play with it more, I'll see if I can actually get it to shoot an inch or less 5 shot group at 100m. Remember guys, this rifle was designed as a home defense gun for the American market, not a precision rifle for target shooting.
 
Tenguns said:
This is the rifle I posted about earlier. It's a 1.5-2MOA rifle with hand loads. Once I play with it more, I'll see if I can actually get it to shoot an inch or less 5 shot group at 100m. Remember guys, this rifle was designed as a home defense gun for the American market, not a precision rifle for target shooting.
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I trust what Caramel states regarding his accuracy since he's one of the few proven to be a consistent sub-MOA shooter (My Black Rifle shoots sub-MOA Trinimon challenge), I don't doubt HE is able to get MOA or better from an MR-1.

I've never expected the MR-1 to be even close to a precision accurate rifle, I've only wanted to know what group sizes people have actually been capable of managing. This is for my research before possibly buying an MR-1, which in turn will give me an idea of what accuracy to expect when/if I attempt to reach out past 300M+.

For $2,000 it would be nice if all MR-1's were MOA shooters, but $2,000 doesn't seem to go as far as it used to in our Canadian NR rifle market.

I would be fine with 1.5"-2" groups with match ammo. and possible MOA with hand loads if I'm doing my share behind the trigger, just not wanting to get stuck with a 3-4MOA rifle on the best of days.

Tenguns said:
Hahaha! Wait till we try to emulate Caramel with these 77gn Lapua bullets I found. With it's s l o w twist rate, it'll be a flop.
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The fact your getting 1.5"-2" groups already shows good potential, perhaps there's still an ammo./optics/conditions combination that still may allow you to achieve MOA or better, at least you'll have fun trying.
I hear what your saying regarding the 77Grain round, but sometimes rifles can surprise us as I've heard of others running a 1-9 twist barrel (AR) doing will with the heavier pills, won't hurt to try.

Please do post up any results you achieve when you get out with that purdy MR-1 and thanks for your input.

Cheers D
 
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My Black Special and my SL8 are much more constant than my MR1, the thin barrel make MOA shooting inconsistant but it will surprised with sub MOA group if you do things right...
The 1 in 9 of the MR-1 is surprising, since i have a truckload of those Lapua Scenar 77 gr, i rolled a load for it and it became the most accurate bullet in the MR-1...
1 in 9 give great results with WWB 45 gr 52 gr Match and 77 gr L Scenar... JP.
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I dont mind but those are tailored load to my particular MR-1, i recommend starting lower, since the MR-1 like a small jump for accuracy,...

77 gr Lapua Scenar bullets...
Win cases...
BR-4 ...
Rel 15 23.5 gr...
OAL 2,255

52 gr Amax....
Fed cases...
BL-C2 26.9 gr...
BR-4...
OAL 2.255...

I always finded that accuracy was best using Lar-15 mags, i always used the 3 same mags in my MR-1...
Those OAL are tight to fit the mag, but like i said the MR-1 like the shortest jump possible, these lenght are the best of both world...
VERY IMPORTANT to cool barrel down between groups, this barrel is very accurate but very thin... JP.

Always proceed with caution ,using reloading recipes, START LOWER...
I had another MR-1 that did not perform as well with these recipes so, this is just a base to start... JP.
 
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caramel said:
I dont mind but those are tailored load to my particular MR-1, i recommend starting lower, since the MR-1 like a small jump for accuracy,...

77 gr Lapua Scenar bullets...
Win cases...
BR-4 ...
Rel 15 23.5 gr...
OAL 2,255

52 gr Amax....
Fed cases...
BL-C2 26.9 gr...
BR-4...
OAL 2.255...

I always finded that accuracy was best using Lar-15 mags, i always used the 3 same mags in my MR-1...
Those OAL are tight to fit the mag, but like i said the MR-1 like the shortest jump possible, these lenght are the best of both world...
VERY IMPORTANT to cool barrel down between groups, this barrel is very accurate but very thin... JP.

Always proceed with caution ,using reloading recipes, START LOWER...
I had another MR-1 that did not perform as well with these recipes so, this is just a base to start... JP.
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Thanks Caramel, I will give these a try. Fortunately I have an abundance of RL15 and I know a powder whore and he should have some BL-C2

I actually Have a ladder loaded up with RL15 but i stuffed them with PRVI 69gr HPBT. I typically use an OAL of 2.260. I know what you mean about the shortest Jump possible.
I would like to see sub MOA performance but Minute of Service Rifle works for me too...lol
 
TIKKAT3fan said:
Thanks Caramel, I will give these a try. Fortunately I have an abundance of RL15 and I know a powder whore and he should have some BL-C2

I actually Have a ladder loaded up with RL15 but i stuffed them with PRVI 69gr HPBT. I typically use an OAL of 2.260. I know what you mean about the shortest Jump possible.
I would like to see sub MOA performance but Minute of Service Rifle works for me too...lol
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Especially the 77 gr ( it's my best load overall), make me think of a bumblebee with it's fat body and small wings, logicly it's not supposed to fly, but it just do, it doesnt know it cant fly...
1 in 9 ROT is not supposed to stabilize a 77 gr but it does it in a stellar fashion in my particuliar MR-1...
Good shooting. JP.
 
Got the MR1 back from the warranty repair shop Friday. They put on a new barrel rather than re-crown. They cleaned it and had it back to me in a week, just in time for the long weekend. I was only able to fire off a few mags at a 5" steel gong at my spot up north before ATVs started coming out of the woodwork, literally. Even had an OPP stop and check things out before moving on. Scope was only slightly off but as it was set for 110M and I was shooting 60M with a new barrel it was pretty close. Need another trip to the farm this month or next but otherwise good to go.
 
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