beo mags, yes beo mags, what's going on?
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From my non lawyer reading of that info I'd feel more confident about using a Beowulf mag in a .223/5.56 rifle than I would a LAR-15 mag...
Again I'm no lawyer but 3 (1) (a) seems to cover the Beowulf position well. If AA designed their mags for .50 Beowulf and anything other than .50 Beowulf fits in it that's neither here nor there by the wording of the law.
Does the text above address using pistol mags in a rifle? I couldn't find a line that seemed to address that...
Again I'm no lawyer but 3 (1) (a) seems to cover the Beowulf position well. If AA designed their mags for .50 Beowulf and anything other than .50 Beowulf fits in it that's neither here nor there by the wording of the law.
Does the text above address using pistol mags in a rifle? I couldn't find a line that seemed to address that...
No. There isn't. The whole point is the 50beo cartridge was designed to function in standard 556 magazines. If I'm not mistaken, the only difference is the follower.
Because of this, there is no such thing as a dedicated 50 Beo mag, they are all modified 556 mags and thus must be pinned to 5rds of 556. Even if you were to build one from the ground up, the rcmp may very well call it a 556 mag still.
At least this is the way the RCMP has interpreted things. Im not a fan of said interpretation, but due to the way the law is written I can see how their interpretation would apply.
"4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in."
If it's a stanag pattern magazine, which are originally designed and manufactured as 556 mags, then it's a 556 mag regardless of what you put on it.
But there's the problem. They didn't design anything. They modified an existing design (and only barely).
that is a big if, I would want documentation from AA to support this. (Design, R+D, patent paperwork etc) showing it is a true one off and does not retain any of the 223/556 design features
A few manufacturers and importers brought this whole issue to the point it is at because of greed. Many other "50 beowulf" magazines started popping up that couldn't even feed a single round into the chamber but because someone milled off the 223 markings and re badged them took advantage of a "grey" area while it lasted
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Using that logic, there's no difference between a Honda and a Tesla...Different internals, but both look essentially the same from the outside, both perform essentially the same function...
The magazine is designed to fit into the magazine well
.50 Beowulf is designed to function in a .50 beowulf chambered AR-15
therefore the dimensions of the magazine are limited to the size of the magazine well.
Now. .50 Beowulf does not feed from a .223 magazine...
SO, AA did some design work, and came up with a magazine that does feed .50 Beowulf.
So yes, the magazine is designed to feed .50 beowulf ammunition, therefore it should be limited to the five rounds it was designed for.
Pretty simple legal battle on that one.... probably why the powers that be, would rather people voluntarily follow their recommendation, instead of actually setting precedent.
I mean, if they really wanted it to be clear, they would make changes to the criminal code, and firearms act....
.50 Beowulf is designed to function in a .50 beowulf chambered AR-15
therefore the dimensions of the magazine are limited to the size of the magazine well.
Now. .50 Beowulf does not feed from a .223 magazine...
SO, AA did some design work, and came up with a magazine that does feed .50 Beowulf.
So yes, the magazine is designed to feed .50 beowulf ammunition, therefore it should be limited to the five rounds it was designed for.
Pretty simple legal battle on that one.... probably why the powers that be, would rather people voluntarily follow their recommendation, instead of actually setting precedent.
I mean, if they really wanted it to be clear, they would make changes to the criminal code, and firearms act....
Is a tesla built by starting with a Honda then modifying it? No? Then your comparison makes no sense.
Besides, I never said I agree with the rcmp interpretation. However I can see how they came to that conclusion, and unless you've got something to prove them wrong I sure wouldn't be willing to fight it.
You can disagree all you want, frankly I don't care what others choose to do with these mags. Im just trying to explain things to people who might not understand why the 50beo mags are under attack.
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That's not how the law works, burden of proof is not on the accused.
That's one of the reasons I have no problem using my Beowulf mags with 15 rounds of .223 in them. They were sold to me as beowulf mags, fit 5rnds of .50 beowulf and by the letter of the law, are legal. Just as legal as my 40S&W mags with 9mm in them.
The reason the RCMP haven't actually enforced this is because they know it would be a nightmare to win, they'd actually have to find proof these were converted from 5.56 mags. Which, ironically, no one is accusing any other mags of doing.
So, either use your mags or don't. It makes no difference to me. But if you do use them, use them with the satisfaction that even though there is no actual change in law, there are some guys shooting 2 rnds of beowulf out of their mags because they take any RCMP word as law.
The rcmp is the only authority in canada capable of deciding firearms legalities in canada according to our current government, who do you plan on using in a courtroom that is a higher authority than the rcmp on the matter for your defense?That's not how the law works, burden of proof is not on the accused.
That's one of the reasons I have no problem using my Beowulf mags with 15 rounds of .223 in them. They were sold to me as beowulf mags, fit 5rnds of .50 beowulf and by the letter of the law, are legal. Just as legal as my 40S&W mags with 9mm in them.
The reason the RCMP haven't actually enforced this is because they know it would be a nightmare to win, they'd actually have to find proof these were converted from 5.56 mags. Which, ironically, no one is accusing any other mags of doing.
So, either use your mags or don't. It makes no difference to me. But if you do use them, use them with the satisfaction that even though there is no actual change in law, there are some guys shooting 2 rnds of beowulf out of their mags because they take any RCMP word as law.
The crown has already successfully coerced someone into forfeiting their mags in exchange for not proceeding with prosecution.
Look at the 10/22 mag issue, where is the legal challenge an org promised? We can't even get an update on what our donations have paid for.
When was the last time or any time for that matter that an RCMP determination in the FRT table was overturned by the courts, Forcing the RCMP to change the status of an item?
The RCMP does not create law, the RCMP does not interpret law, the RCMP enforces law. So to answer your question, I would use any LAW in a courtroom as it has more authority than RCMP comments. Even if the RCMP do have the final say for approving classifications of firearms, they have not changed the actual law regarding the legality of these magazines.
The crown successful coerced someone FACING DRUG CHARGES into forfeiting their mags, you always conveniently ignore that fact.
Congrats Brian, I ran out of patience discussing it with you and I don't frankly believe any of your anecdotes to be truthful. Enjoy your 2 rnd Beowulf mags.
so you believe the rcmp have final say via the FRT classifications, but the law is unchanged so you are fine to do as you please in contradiction to what is contained in the FRT?, because that is how what you wrote above reads.
I won't spread that kind of information, people have to understand the actual issues and make an informed decision for themselves. I shoot a lot, the big bore calibers get noticed, the conversations I have had with people at various ranges tells me how uninformed people actually are as to what is going on.
It's always so and so said this, so and so said that. Seek your own actual legal advice on the topic (lawyer outside the internet) and decide for yourself what risks you are happy taking. That is what I did and I am happy with my choice so far considering I have had the rifle scrutinized at more than one roadside stop.
the drug charges were a seperate matter and already dealt with long before they got around to prosecuting the prohibited device charges.
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Except here's how it'll go down in court: crown will call their expert witness, who is someone from the Firearms lab, who will testify that a 50 Beo mag is a 556 mag.
Unless you have something to prove this expert witness wrong, you are fkked.
In this way the rcmp can force the burden of proof onto you.
