Beretta APX
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Another blah polymer gun. Trigger is meh, between a M&P 2.0 and a Glock. Only handled it at the store. Not interesting enough to care further.
All these striker fired polymers are beginning to look alike.
Thanks I will have to check that out.
I have no handled one yet but folks who have either like it or have complaints mostly about the trigger. Beretta has been around for 500 years or so and have a reputation for making excellent pistols. I do believe though a lot of the comments on forums are either from Beretta fans ie the Beretta Forum or negative from X Gun Forum. In the middle are folks who are either tried it and like the gun or tried it and don't.
There are a lot of choices now in the striker pistol market. I suspect the gun would have attracted more attention if it had come out 10 years ago. Most of the comments from reviewers are positive which is in some respects is about par for the course, you don't hear or read to many negative reviews on most guns. Whether the gun establishes a niche in a crowded field is anyone's guess.
What are they selling for in Canada?
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I got one about a month ago. Actually like it more than I thought I would. I didn't mind the trigger and it shoots great. One thing to note is that it didn't come with the extra backstraps (black). Not a deal breaker as I ended up getting the grey chassis (with all the backstraps) and put the assembly in that. I think it looks nicer. I got mine on sale at SFRC for $589ish all in.
I saw them at Cabelas in Ottawa for $549 which is really not bad at all nd half the price of the PX4, which I don't really like. This is basically Beretta's entry to the MHS competition, minus the manual safety - similar story to the Glock Gen 5. It's basically a blend between a Glock and a Sig P320 from what I can see.
It's very glock-ish in its mechanism, but is chassy based like the P320 and extra frames are cheap at $50 each. It can be de-cocked without pulling the trigger and uses a sig-type takedown lever, vs. the Glock and S&W SD type takedown tabs.
I fondled the gun extensively in the store and it literally had the best grip ergos of any gun Cabelas had in stock - at least for my hand. I've heard some don't like the trigger, but some online reviewers I trust (like MAC) basically said the trigger is better than Glock or Sig, but not as good as a Walther PPQ. I've been told it's similar to the Canik/P99 trigger in feel, right out of the box. MAC basically said nobody will bother with an aftermarket trigger like a ZEV in the APX because it stand well enough on its own. I think that's saying a lot, but I have not fired to gun personally and Cabelas doesn't let customers do trigger pulls. I haven't seen it physically in stock anywhere else yet.
My only real worry about the gun is that it will be the next HK Forty-Nine or Kimber SOLO - decent guns that didn't sell to any agencies or in enough volume to survive and were laid to rest on the alter of being discontinued. I'd like to see some PDs or militaries somewhere adopt it to ensure it stcks around for a while, along with the necessary support to consumers.
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^^^^The trigger is not quite in the range of the P99/ Canik. It is heavier ( at least on the one I tried!). I know 2 people now who actually sold their PPX and Canik due to accidentally firing when they didn't mean to as the trigger was too light for them. The APX is not there.
I didn't realize a gun made by Beretta is that cheap. I never inquired about the price of the one I held as there was nothing really spectacular about it so I didn't really care. The price may tip the APX in Beretta's favor as it competes with the Canik, FN, Walther Creed, and Remington offerings.
I didn't realize a gun made by Beretta is that cheap. I never inquired about the price of the one I held as there was nothing really spectacular about it so I didn't really care. The price may tip the APX in Beretta's favor as it competes with the Canik, FN, Walther Creed, and Remington offerings.
Yeah, it's almost half the price of the comparable Glock. On price along, it SHOULD be a good seller. If we were getting USA pricing on the Glock Gen 5, it might be a different story. Instead, for a Glock with non-plastic sights, you are in the $1000 range.
Beretta/Stoeger Group is not a company filled with idiots. They know that to break into a staurated market, they have to offer a quality product at a price that will attract adopters.
I haven't priced magazines out yet, but I'd bet their margin is more on mags, spare frames, and providing better sights for their proprietary dovetails - at least until the aftermarket catches up.
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Someone sold a PPX for light trigger issues? You sure it was a PPX and not a PPQ or P99? the PPX is a DAO hammer gun, it's trigger is not very light.
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A very well reasoned explanation Claven! And I agree. Competition drives this market.
Yes, it was a X. Owned by a lady shooter too. She is new but experienced enough to do well in Steel Shoots and IDPA.
Her main gun is a FNS but she confided in me that she had a few unintentional discharges with the X while re-sighting for her next shot and this scared her so she sold it. Bought a Girsan instead!
Hmm. Odd. First time I've heard os someone thinking a PPX had too light a pull. Odd too that she would move from shooting FN and Wather guns to a budget-minded Girsan (MC28 presumably?)
I run my Glock22 at 3.5lbs pull and I don't find it too light. Tanfo shooters are running 2-2.5lbs without a lot of difficulty. But then, not all shooters are the same.
I run my Glock22 at 3.5lbs pull and I don't find it too light. Tanfo shooters are running 2-2.5lbs without a lot of difficulty. But then, not all shooters are the same.
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I'm not sure what Girsan. I think it's the Regard. Haven't seen it yet. She still uses the FN. The Girsan is her fun gun. I haven't met too many women with her enthusiasm for shooting. Her hubby is trying to get her into TAC rifle next year as she already has a pink AR!!
I agree the X trigger is smooth but not too light. Maybe the shorter reset is getting to her?
I tried one at Beretta days yesterday at CSC. I was skeptical, but came away impressed. Reminded me a little of a Walther for style/shape.
Grip texture was great, trigger better than expected, and the slide was the easiest to manipulate of any semi I've tried. Seemed like a good solid pistol.
Grip texture was great, trigger better than expected, and the slide was the easiest to manipulate of any semi I've tried. Seemed like a good solid pistol.
With the M&P2 selling in the sub $600 range Beretta has to be there at least during the intro stage to garner a following. Beretta needs a design to catch on beyond their 92 Series which continues to attract Military buyers and retail sales, the latter, albeit at a higher price point.
The company has been around for a very long time so I am rather confident they will figure it out.
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The company has been around for a very long time so I am rather confident they will figure it out.
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I agree, but like most things in Canada, there's tons of gouging. A couple cgn dealers are selling the APX for $599 or less, Cabela's has it on special in store as cheap as $550 on a regular basis, but most dealers - even cgn dealers are selling them in the $725-799 range.
Disgraceful, and higher than MSRP.
The MSRP in the US is $575US or $718 Cdn at 80 cents on the dollar according to Beretta USA website. Dealers usually have 20% - 25% margin unless they are blowing them out at cost or got an introductory pricing package from Beretta who owns Stoeger Canada.
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Nobody in the USA sells for MSRP. It's often 20%+ of discount below msrp. I know that canadian dealer pricing is under $550 on these guns as I've seen the price list from stoeger, fwiw. If I recall correctly, it was $539 last month.
MSRP only exists so vendors can advertise how much below the fantasy price they are selling.
An interesting fact, in Canada, stoeger canada in Windsor owns beretta canada, not the other way around.
MSRP only exists so vendors can advertise how much below the fantasy price they are selling.
An interesting fact, in Canada, stoeger canada in Windsor owns beretta canada, not the other way around.
Maybe so but you did quote MSRP. Beretta corporately owns them both. I agree to a point regarding MSRP but the US market has a number of things going for it. #1 being significantly higher volumes. So if Stoeger sells the gun to the dealer for $539 what does the retailer sell it for? A 20% mark up would gross about $107. Not much room to play with given you might sell one or two a year.
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I agree the margins aren't high on a cheap Wonder-9. Most dealers try to upsell you on sights, extra mags, a holster, etc. That stuff all has WAY higher margin. Also, like Kodak who gave away the camera (i.e. below cost), they more than made it up in film. In this case, ammo and accessories.
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