That is excellent, but they do have a terrible reputation amongst people who see a lot of rounds go through them and the rubber mallet really is standard equipment for people who have to deal with them.
beretta px4 storm
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I have an M&P with close to 20,000 rounds on one recoil spring assembly, and I'm seeing no evidence of anything going sideways regarding ejection or frame hammering. 4,600 rounds is a very, very short interval for a recoil spring assembly. Most manufacturers err on the cautious side and recommend replacement at 5,000 rounds for optimum functioning, this one didn't even get there.
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Agreed... I have had two... thousands of rounds through both with no problems. That said, I own a Sig226 and find its more accurate. I would say that the PX4 is a major down grade from a Sig. Sure it looks cool and might feel good in your hand but thats about all it has going for it.
I don't know why CBSA went with them, but suspect its because they are cheap, light weight, and have different grip sizes. CBSA uses the double action only version which is considered a "safety" feature.
I don't know why CBSA went with them, but suspect its because they are cheap, light weight, and have different grip sizes. CBSA uses the double action only version which is considered a "safety" feature.
I have to disagree with a couple things. The PX4 may not be the best pistol ever made but it did pass all the CBSA tests. In addition it could be field stripped without pulling the trigger, a CBSA preference.
I've put thousands of rounds through PX4's. I've never had a failure to feed or eject. I've shot them clean and dirty without a problem. I know of a person who heard all the stories of PX4's not working when dirty. He decided to stop cleaning his until he had a failure (he only oiled the rails). I never heard what the final number was but he was multi thousands of rounds into his test when we were talking.
I prefer my M&P and I even liked my Glock better than the PX4, but it's far from a horrible pistol.
It did meet the requirements, that is true.
Of course whether that's significant is pretty dependent on what the minimum requirements were...
Training with them was problematic, that much I can say.
I agree it is not a horrible pistol...but it is not playing on the level of the big LE/Mil choices and there is just no way around that.
Of course whether that's significant is pretty dependent on what the minimum requirements were...
Training with them was problematic, that much I can say.
I agree it is not a horrible pistol...but it is not playing on the level of the big LE/Mil choices and there is just no way around that.
It was picked because it was cheap, since you hold the cbsa tests in such high regard, perhaps you can tell me about the criteria. What were the rivals? No it's not the worst pistol but seeing that they are nudging 1 grand for price in the civ market, they arent very good either, to top it off that is serious money. and it is dangerously close to hk p30 or railed sig 226 money. And it doesnt come close to either of those.
I shoot my guns until they are too hot to touch and smoke is literally pouring off the barrel. People who have seen me shoot can testify to this.
The guide rod is plastic so it gets a lot of heat in that situation. I shoot a lot more than the average person at my club.
Intervals for most guns are 3,000 - 5,000. I'd say 4,600 was decent considering the way I run my gun.
Where? I see them at Al Flathery's for $750.
That isn't nudging a grand in my books. Buy one and you still have enough left to buy an unissued tokarev.
I have no idea what all the test requirements were. I simply responded to a post that stated the PX4 performed poorly during testing. The fact was that it passed testing.
Also a quick check shows them as an $800 pistol from a Canadian supplier, not 'nudging a grand'.
Including night sights?
750 is more than enough for a g17, and enough to get a m&p9 with night sights. And just why would you want to buy a tokarev?
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These two are not mutually exclusive.
When the guns were fielded, they did not run well. They did meet the requirements laid out by the CBSA.
I believe the Portuguese national police force also carries the PX4. I have put lots of rounds through mine and certainty never required a mallet or had any kind of failure as a result of the rotating barrel. Yes, if you're putting lots through it lube the tooth on the central block well as it is the part that engages with the barrel but otherwise it is user friendly. I've not seen anything to show the Mounties begged CBSA not acquire it, I'd be interested in documented proof if there is any. Lots of pistols out there the PX4 is just one more.
Yeah, I never do that.
It does kind of beg the question, though, doesn't it - you know, the question about why the spring guide is plastic in the first place.$750 at Al Flaherty's and yes it includes night sights.
You don't have to buy a tokarev. I'm just saying you have $250 left over if you have $1,000. That's not nudging a grand.
You do also realize that the F model that most of us have is different than the DAO models that the CBSA has.
I don't like DAO pistols so I can understand why some people don't enjoy the CBSA guns. The F model is the DA/SA model.
Yeah, I never do that.
Because you've never shot a gun with a plastic guide rod before? There's tons of guns out there with plastic guide rods.
I'd guess that considering the life of the spring there's no point making an expensive one out of metal when you can just put in a cheap replacement one.
Also the range I shoot at has a counter full of range guns used by new shooters. All the range guns have six figure round counts on them including a PX4. If it can handle being a daily rental it's certainly reliable. They certainly don't baby the rental guns. They get super dirty and get tons of abuse.
That being said I don't think I've ever seen any of the range guns taken out of service except for revolvers. The automatics no matter what the brand have all been very reliable.
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Huh the last places I checked was over 1k, but that was over a year back, at 750 I suppose it's a little more reasonable and not quite as offensive, mind you I would still take a m&p or g17 over the px4. Whats the dao pull on the px4? not the biggest fan of dasa, I am a fan of one trigger pull, I like either striker fired pistols for exactly that reason, I also like my p30s lem trigger, one of the many reasons I like it.
I've never seen a Glock guide rod suffer from heat, but they are pretty regularly changed out. No need to change it out with the M&P - it's stainless and the gun is $200 cheaper than the Beretta.
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I am amazed at the amount of knowledge and prespectives on the pistol. At the moment, leaning towards the m&p9 range kit. The accessories that come with the kit is economical if I decide to get into competitive shooting. That being said... I cannot believe the prices that people pu on their used M&Ps just the pistol alone for 650...when I've seen brand new range kit for 649. I even saw one thay sold for 700..just the pistol. Lol
There are at least 3 members on this forum who were heavily involved in setting the parameters for the CBSA pistol tests, shooting the guns, and evaluating the data. None of them have anything nice to say about the guns in person. But the decision to field the gun was made for a variety of reasons. It is funny that other pistols that were submitted, failed simple tests, like the M&P and the drop test (bye bye mag). Of course S&W fixed that problem later, but guns submitted are what's tested, and the PX4 as horrible as it is (a gun designed by a car designed not a gun person) passed all the tests.
Well quite frankly for a gun that's 'raved' with all these rds down the pipe, CBSA mandates that they get serviced every 3 years, meaning you get a new gun or you get one that's been "refurnished" by the armoury.Considering the glock barrel life is about 15,000 rds, by the time the average CBSA pistol hits the 3 year mark, at the officer level it's had about maybe 1500 rds down the pipe, go figure. Not an impressive maintenance program for such a "reliable" pistol. CBSA should have went with the HK p2000 like the Correction boys did!. Most officers at CBSA are on their second or third pistol within the first 3 years?
That is about as close to proof as anyone will see. I do not think any of the written documentation has been or will be released.
Brutal.
