Bergara B14R vs RimX, Vudoo, Anschutz, CZ and Tactical Solutions

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Bergara B14R vs RimX, Vudoo, Anschutz, CZ and Tactical Solutions

I thought you guys might like this side by side accuracy comparison. Its a late response to some prior discussion on CGN.

Here's a link to the play list of all 6 videos
[video]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsHg1DVsLV14Sjfy3t12_OzWVe-W47ZZz[/video]

Video Number One
 
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Trying to bump up your viewer numbers?

You're a fool to think as much. In case you are unaware, YouTube is a hostile environment for firearm content. They take aggressive measures to make it difficult to share meaningful content and get paid for it. Content that is meaningful is used to ban YouTube accounts and at the very least demonetize. I really do not care about advancing any YouTube presence and post only to share with others what we have learned. Worse yet, in case you are not aware, the liberals are on the verge of passing new gun laws that will radically limit firearm interest and freedom in Canada, so the future of a YouTube presence pales in comparison to the negative impact these ridiculous new gun laws represent. Also in case you are not aware, YouTube hostility to firearm content is used to rally the support for increased gun control. For a person to respond with such condescension and suspicion is a truly sad reflection of who you are.

The subject of these videos has been debated at length on CGN and I am very late in providing links to the videos pertaining to the subject matter.

I have stated as much on CGN in the past and been called a liar for it. Well the video links are above and you are welcome to draw your own conclusions.
 
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I think anyone providing useful info shouldn’t be chastised. Watch, listen and draw your own conclusions. If he has videos well so do lots of members on Nutz. There’s enough people trying to make all forms of guns and shooting a distant memory. Maybe we should try sticking together as a shooting community. I am however surprised the most arroGant member on here hasn’t already made some form of derogatory comment. After all he accused the op of lying and not actually owning the guns he was posting articles about. Well he is so Great that his skills include mind reading.Holy GrauHateness. Haha now that’s funny, but also the truth. Thanks for sharing Maple57
 
I think anyone providing useful info shouldn’t be chastised. Watch, listen and draw your own conclusions. If he has videos well so do lots of members on Nutz. There’s enough people trying to make all forms of guns and shooting a distant memory. Maybe we should try sticking together as a shooting community. I am however surprised the most arroGant member on here hasn’t already made some form of derogatory comment. After all he accused the op of lying and not actually owning the guns he was posting articles about. Well he is so Great that his skills include mind reading.Holy GrauHateness. Haha now that’s funny, but also the truth. Thanks for sharing Maple57

Thank you Longstud.
 
You're a fool to think as much. In case you are unaware, YouTube is a hostile environment for firearm content. They take aggressive measures to make it difficult to share meaningful content and get paid for it. Content that is meaningful is used to ban YouTube accounts and at the very least demonetize. I really do not care about advancing any YouTube presence and post only to share with others what we have learned. Worse yet, in case you are not aware, the liberals are on the verge of passing new gun laws that will radically limit firearm interest and freedom in Canada, so the future of a YouTube presence pales in comparison to the negative impact these ridiculous new gun laws represent. Also in case you are not aware, YouTube hostility to firearm content is used to rally the support for increased gun control. For a person to respond with such condescension and suspicion is a truly sad reflection of who you are.

Projecting much?

I am fully aware of how anti-gun Youtube is. Not relevant to my comment.

I am fully aware of incoming gun laws/bans. Not relevant to my comment.

You are assuming I have an issue with you trying to promote your channel on CGN. I don't.

The point of my comment, which you missed, was you didn't clearly state that it's your video. Same with your red dot thread. Are you not proud enough in your work to admit it?
 
Soooooooo, you did a video comparing apples to oranges to bananas, to pineapples, and found that your banana came out on top? Great info, makes me want to go buy a banana.

Who held the video camera on the target? Someone on a boat? My 1000 yard video of an 18" target with mirage is better than this 100 yard target. No I won't be posting it, again just trying to be subjective. Get a tripod and a spotting scope with a phone scope for future video of targets. At min anyways.

Not trying to be negative on this, but subjective, so don't jump all over on this, and my post count has nothing to do with it as well!!!

Anyone that knows anything about 22 lr knows you can't compare things as open ended as you are trying, to get anything subjective out of it. Just a fun shoot out, that is all this is in the end. No accuracy comparing here, just letting us know that one type of ammo in this type of barrel is not that great. In the end yes it is a little bit of ammo, but more so on how that ammo shoots in that particular barrel. Same ammo in another barrel on the same action will shoot differently. Hence the whole following of lot testing, forget even brand testing.

I'm sure you can get both of those rifles in the vid to shoot tighter groups with some ammo testing. That itself is getting hard to do, as most types are harder and harder to find out there now. But hey, that could be another video you can film for us to all see.
 
Soooooooo, you did a video comparing apples to oranges to bananas, to pineapples, and found that your banana came out on top? Great info, makes me want to go buy a banana.

Who held the video camera on the target? Someone on a boat? My 1000 yard video of an 18" target with mirage is better than this 100 yard target. No I won't be posting it, again just trying to be subjective. Get a tripod and a spotting scope with a phone scope for future video of targets. At min anyways.

Not trying to be negative on this, but subjective, so don't jump all over on this, and my post count has nothing to do with it as well!!!

Anyone that knows anything about 22 lr knows you can't compare things as open ended as you are trying, to get anything subjective out of it. Just a fun shoot out, that is all this is in the end. No accuracy comparing here, just letting us know that one type of ammo in this type of barrel is not that great. In the end yes it is a little bit of ammo, but more so on how that ammo shoots in that particular barrel. Same ammo in another barrel on the same action will shoot differently. Hence the whole following of lot testing, forget even brand testing.

I'm sure you can get both of those rifles in the vid to shoot tighter groups with some ammo testing. That itself is getting hard to do, as most types are harder and harder to find out there now. But hey, that could be another video you can film for us to all see.

Soooo your obviously not great at comprehension!! Most of your mute points were explained at the start of the video. These results are not conclusive and with different ammo results will vary. Oh newsflash, welcome to rimfire. The point that was made, clearly missed by you, was that with certain lots of ammo a moderately priced rifle could compete with a much higher end rifle. Especially if the ammo wasnt lot tested for that gun. As for videos its easy to pick on the ones posted, especially when your not posting. Love to see ur awesome 1000 yard footage. Love to see your 22 rimfire with 60 moa thats sighted in for 50 yards. Callin BS on that one. Especially with a Vortex Diamondback with 65 moa of total travel. The math just dont add up Einstein. OH LOOK POST 88 OR WHATEVER
 
Soooo your obviously not great at comprehension!! Most of your mute points were explained at the start of the video. These results are not conclusive and with different ammo results will vary. Oh newsflash, welcome to rimfire. The point that was made, clearly missed by you, was that with certain lots of ammo a moderately priced rifle could compete with a much higher end rifle. Especially if the ammo wasnt lot tested for that gun. As for videos its easy to pick on the ones posted, especially when your not posting. Love to see ur awesome 1000 yard footage. Love to see your 22 rimfire with 60 moa thats sighted in for 50 yards. Callin BS on that one. Especially with a Vortex Diamondback with 65 moa of total travel. The math just dont add up Einstein. OH LOOK POST 88 OR WHATEVER

I don’t know the guy, but a canted rail and Burris XTR rings means a 50yd zero is as close to the bottom of travel as that. Mine is. Any competent 22LR long distance shooter is aware of such things. I’m surprised you are not. Cleaning up your presentation would make us believe you more.
 
Soooo your obviously not great at comprehension!! Most of your mute points were explained at the start of the video. These results are not conclusive and with different ammo results will vary. Oh newsflash, welcome to rimfire. The point that was made, clearly missed by you, was that with certain lots of ammo a moderately priced rifle could compete with a much higher end rifle. Especially if the ammo wasnt lot tested for that gun. As for videos its easy to pick on the ones posted, especially when your not posting. Love to see ur awesome 1000 yard footage. Love to see your 22 rimfire with 60 moa thats sighted in for 50 yards. Callin BS on that one. Especially with a Vortex Diamondback with 65 moa of total travel. The math just dont add up Einstein. OH LOOK POST 88 OR WHATEVER

LoL, your comprehension isn't much better. He never said he shot his 22 at 1000 yards. He was criticizing the shaky camera saying he can get more stable footage at 1000 yards. It's ok, your safe now.
 
Soooo your obviously not great at comprehension!! Most of your mute points were explained at the start of the video. These results are not conclusive and with different ammo results will vary. Oh newsflash, welcome to rimfire. The point that was made, clearly missed by you, was that with certain lots of ammo a moderately priced rifle could compete with a much higher end rifle. Especially if the ammo wasnt lot tested for that gun. As for videos its easy to pick on the ones posted, especially when your not posting. Love to see ur awesome 1000 yard footage. Love to see your 22 rimfire with 60 moa thats sighted in for 50 yards. Callin BS on that one. Especially with a Vortex Diamondback with 65 moa of total travel. The math just dont add up Einstein. OH LOOK POST 88 OR WHATEVER

Karen Much!!!! Triggered!!!
Nothing to prove to you, as you already know it all! Did you forget about the "I'll never own a vortex" from before. Or you too busy being you?

Yep, footage on my phone, as all my range trips are, with video, and nope will never be posted. I got nothing to prove to anyone but myself, and no one will be harder on me, than I will be on myself. Was actually shooting to 1200 yrds that day with my PRC, just the video is with more mirage than the 1000 yard one. Can clearly see the target at 1000 yards and see my hits at 1200, just not as clear.

My 22 I set up to shoot long, and am in the process of reaching out. Our long range is closed this weekend, or I would be going out to distance with the 22 out to 650 yards. Both PRC and 22 set up similar, so I can use the 22 for practice, as it is cheaper to shoot, and still get all the fundamentals of position, trigger control practice.
 
Sometimes I gotta shake my heads a some of the comments I see here. It's no wonder when they say we are our own worst enemy. If you don't have anything good to say. then maybe keep your piehole shut.
 
With this test it would have greater credibility had they shot 10 shots each then switched rifles for another ten shots each.
Rather than one person calling for the shots to be fired, 10 rounds in 30, 40 or 50 seconds might have been better.
It appeared to me the host had some issue with his scope when he asked the other shooter to pick the target as he could not see something clearly.
It did not appear necessary to watch them shoot every shot so it was "Speed Watched" until the targets were being viewed.
Then it appeared to be okay to discount one shot.
At our 100 Metre shoots, there has only been one Bergara IIRC and it did not stand out at 200 metres either.
 
my view is: if you are on a budget, then go with cz 457. if you are at liberty of spending more than $3k for a barrelled action then go with Vudoo.

the premium of bergara b14r over cz 457 is not justified, it's just my 2 cents.
 
LoL, your comprehension isn't much better. He never said he shot his 22 at 1000 yards. He was criticizing the shaky camera saying he can get more stable footage at 1000 yards. It's ok, your safe now.

I never said he shot his 22 at 1000 yards either. I commented I’d like to see his1000 yard footage! I also commented I like to see his 22 with 60 moa of cant that’s sighted in at 50 yards. So lol your reading comprehension is the same. Do you understand how much travel would be required to sight a rimfire at 50 yards with 60 moa of cant?? I’m gonna take a guess and say no!!
 
I never said he shot his 22 at 1000 yards either. I commented I’d like to see his1000 yard footage! I also commented I like to see his 22 with 60 moa of cant that’s sighted in at 50 yards. So lol your reading comprehension is the same. Do you understand how much travel would be required to sight a rimfire at 50 yards with 60 moa of cant?? I’m gonna take a guess and say no!!

Is the only way you believe things is to see it on video?
I know what I have and what I have set up. The PRC has a 20 moa built in rail and my scope is able to dial out to 1200 yrds, with a 100 yard zero. I did not think to dial out further, but will get out to the range and keep working up to our 1500 yard target. Only scope dial.

On the 22 it has an integrated 30 moa cant rail, and I installed the rings to have an extra 30 moa, and yes the spacing of the rings was considered. I was just coming up short on the dials with only the 30 moa cant on the rail, with a 50 yd zero to dial out to 550 yds. Was sorting out another issue, and awaiting ammo, so it did not come on the last range trip to verify my dialing out to 650, but will on the next trip.

Longstud, this is a video link you should watch.:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWwvn9a4b4

OP, sorry for taking the thread off topic.
 
your video is flawed.

rimfire is groups come down to 1 thing, and thats the consistency of the lot of ammo being shot. shooting 5 shot groups is not a large enough sample size of ammo to show anything conclusive.

that being said, i have different lots of the same ammo that shoots 2 different ways out of the same rifle.... so, which group size do you chose?

i have a lot of eley match right now that consistently shoots smaller groups at 350 yards then most peoples "acceptable" group size at 200. i also have a lot of eley contact that only shoots 10" at 350.

your rifles consistency is only as good as the ammo you put through it, nothing more.
 
your video is flawed.

rimfire is groups come down to 1 thing, and thats the consistency of the lot of ammo being shot. shooting 5 shot groups is not a large enough sample size of ammo to show anything conclusive.

that being said, i have different lots of the same ammo that shoots 2 different ways out of the same rifle.... so, which group size do you chose?

i have a lot of eley match right now that consistently shoots smaller groups at 350 yards then most peoples "acceptable" group size at 200. i also have a lot of eley contact that only shoots 10" at 350.

your rifles consistency is only as good as the ammo you put through it, nothing more.

I have to agree. 5 rnd 22LR groups represent very little. If they are all overlaid as if shot together, then that works. Rarely is this done though.
 
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