Bersa/Firestorms in Canada?

Laserlips,

I resemble this remark:

"I find the Bersa Thunder 9 (Ultra Compact) a bit hefty myself when compared to my Sig P239, but I just relegate it to "home protection" duty. After putting the CAT laser on it it's just a bit too bulky for personal carry, but excellent in the role I've given it."

I own a Sig P239 and it feels like a brick in my hands. My friends that I shoot with love my P239 but I do not.

Regards,

Richard :D

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richardoldfield said:
Laserlips,

I resemble this remark:

"I find the Bersa Thunder 9 (Ultra Compact) a bit hefty myself when compared to my Sig P239, but I just relegate it to "home protection" duty. After putting the CAT laser on it it's just a bit too bulky for personal carry, but excellent in the role I've given it."

I own a Sig P239 and it feels like a brick in my hands. My friends that I shoot with love my P239 but I do not.

Regards,

Richard :D

Richard:

Get yourself a set of Hogue grips (rubber w/finger grooves) and I think you will notice a fantastic difference in the feel of the P239. The Hogue grips are not expensive (around $20 US) and they really are an improvement over the factory grips. From the picture it seems you have larger aftermarket wood grips on your Sig P239 and they appear larger than what would be comfortable for me.

I have owned a lot of firearms over the last 50 years and I've never been more satisfied with a pistol that I am with my Sig P239.. ALWAYS 100% reliable, and very accurate.

Best Wishes,
JP :D

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It's not quite as bad as that. If Joe Nutt walks into your house with a sawed off, in Canada, he's fair game.
Canadian law states that you can defend your self by whatever means neccessary.
Now you have to be careful here.
If Joe Nutt walks into your house with a 6" hunting knife, shooting him may not be neccessary and could land you in jail.
Although if he lunges at you, I don't think a jury of your peers would object to putting a .45 in his melon. You are not expected to drop your gun and pick up a kitchen knife, just to make it fair. :lol:

Bottom line is, the amount of force has to be justified. If you use lethal force, you better damn well make sure your life is in immediate danger first.

The unfortunate part is that in Canada the 'innocent until proven guilty' clause gets thrown out the window and replaced by 'guilty until proven innocent'. :cry:
 
richardoldfield said:
Laserlips, I am sorry I didn't mention my P239 wears a set of the highly respected Nill grips. Believe me Nill grips are not cheap. Regards, Richard :D
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Sorry, didn't mean to cast dispurstions on the Nill grips. I'm familiar with the Nill products are you are certainly correct in that they have a great reputation for quality.

I was merely observing that the grips "looked" to me that they were a bit larger than the standard factory rubber grips, and since I have small hands the additional bulk of the Nill's just wouldn't suit my purpose.

I ordered a very nice set of Walnut grips for my Walther P1, and they are beautiful, but they are also a bit thicker than the standard "plastic" Walther grips so I took them back off and put back on the original's.

You said the Sig felt like a "brick" in your hands, so my thought was the Hogue (rubber wraparound with finger grooves) might serve your purpose. I had read about them on a Sig forum someplace and that's why I bought a set. They aren't expensive, but they really make the grip better for me.

Crimson Trace is to release a set of Crimson Trace lasergrips for the Sig P239 (hopefully) sometime early in 2006. I'll buy a set of those as I already have a set on a small S/W snubby, and they really offer increased accuracy in low light or nighttime conditions. JP :D
 
Braiot said:
It's not quite as bad as that. If Joe Nutt walks into your house with a sawed off, in Canada, he's fair game.


Bottom line is, the amount of force has to be justified. If you use lethal force, you better damn well make sure your life is in immediate danger first.

The unfortunate part is that in Canada the 'innocent until proven guilty' clause gets thrown out the window and replaced by 'guilty until proven innocent'. :cry:
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Braiot. I probably oversimplified the legality of lethal home protection here in the US. We are in the unique situation where in some parts of America (for e.g. Kalifornia) you are indeed back to the situation where you are guilty until proven innocent by some leo's and courts.

Fortunately in a great portion of the American SW and the South (such as here in Georgia) that is generally not the case. Here, IF you have a history as a law abiding citizen you are generally given the benefit of the doubt when you protect yourself against some stranger entering your home with a deadly weapon.

Chances are anyone bold enough to break into your home in such a manner does NOT have the same history of innocence.

You cannot entice and kill your wifes boyfriend, your fellow meth dealer, or any other number of variables where you aren't totally innocent.

The general rule is if you are a "good guy" and the home invasion culprit has a reputation as a "bad guy" you are not automatically considered the criminal for protecting yourself, family.

As I mentioned before, I would never kill anyone for anything unless I was cornered and myself or my loved ones lives were in danger. Or, take my TV and computer, but leave US alone. If I ever (and I pray I don't) have to take a human life in defense of myself or family my least concern at that moment would be the legality of the action I was forced to take.

I would never take a life to protect possessions..
I would never fail to protect my family and loved ones even if it meant taking a life..

I don't think it would take a jury of my peers very long (and the jury selected in the O.J. Simpson would not quality as my peers) to see I had no choice in whatever action I had to take. The "your home is your castle" defense is well understood by the general population here in Georgia.

That's one reason home invasions are extremely rare in rural Georgia communities.

Best Wishes
JP :D
 
Laserlips said:
I would never take a life to protect possessions..
I would never fail to protect my family and loved ones even if it meant taking a life..
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Well said, can't argue with that.
Although I do have a few possessions that are pretty close to being family members, like my motorcycle. :lol:
 
Braiot said:
Laserlips said:
I would never take a life to protect possessions..
I would never fail to protect my family and loved ones even if it meant taking a life..
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Well said, can't argue with that.
Although I do have a few possessions that are pretty close to being family members, like my motorcycle. :lol:
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Hey, I've got a classic 1986 El Camino in cherry condition in the garage with a car cover over it, I know what you're talking about..

BUT before I would kill someone they would just have to drive 'her off..
(Maybe a leg wound would be in order?)

Best Wishes,
JP :D
 
Laserlips,
You're right as I said before. And the reality of it is, were I in a situation were I would benefit from being able to protect myself and my family, and would never think twice about it. I'll do 20 years if it means keeping my little girl alive. That being said, my point is that we have unbeleivably retarded laws here in Canada and unfortunatley they're are only getting worse.


Mahalo
 
I disagree, in Canada we are allowed to have a handgun loaded under our direct control in our home.

While the law may favor the criminal element, I still would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
 
One thing I cannot say for sure, if I will take a life or not, but if I draw, I will fire.

The line is crossed when I engage.

However I must say that up to now there never was a reason that might even warrant such an action, that IMHO is a much much better scenario.

I cannot begin to understand the feeling of living in a society that requires the use of such dratic measures for your own safety. In such a case I believe that the problem is far more complex than the right to bear arms.
 
TightGroup said:
I cannot begin to understand the feeling of living in a society that requires the use of such dratic measures for your own safety. In such a case I believe that the problem is far more complex than the right to bear arms.
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Sorry I don't understand what you mean by the last statement.

In many parts of the US the feeling of living in a society that requires the use of drastic measures for a person's own safety, or the safety of his/her loved ones, or innocents, is a fact of life.

There's no doubt that the problem is more complex than the right to bear arms, but the ablility when needed to bear arms in today's society is why there is a 2nd amendment in the US Constitution.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm blessed in that I live in a relatively safe, rural part of the country, a part in fact that respects the rights of the individual to protect themselves from harm.

Unfortunately that is not necessarily the case in ALL of the US. Any large city in the US has an "inner city" in which you cannot depend on the good will of some of the people therein to keep you out of harms way. Or, if you get lost or misguided and somehow stray into such an area your health, and possibly life is definitely at risk.

I do know that if you live in a rural area you cannot depend on the protection of law enforcement to protect you or your family.. If someone breaks into your home with deadly intent dialing 911 will not necessarily get you help before it's too late.

Therefore a great number of Americans, and I count myself among them choose to protect ourselves. I don't mind waiting for the police to protect me, but if they don't make it in time, then I'll protect myself.

I should think Canadians living in rural areas would have the same concerns.

I don't care who chooses to have or not have firearms in their homes. I respect their rights to put into jeopardy the lives of both themselves and their loved ones. I don't really care if people like it that I'm well armed and will protect myself or family, with deadly force if necessary.. The only people I worry about is myself, my family, and any innocents who might be involved in the situation.

If our forefathers gave up their guns to the British over 200 years ago we would still be subjects of the Queen rather than citizens of our own county, and just in modern day England we would have no personal firearms with which to protect ourselves and our families..

Oops....

Best Wishes,

JP
 
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