Best 1911 between 700-1400$ ?

Gold Cup

Hello Walter...

Humm, Colt Gold Cup... I was told they're overpriced for what they offer.
And that they need some tuning & add-on parts before squeezing out maximum accuracy/reliability.
This is why it wasn't included in my wish list.

Anybody wanna share some experience on recent factory Gold Cup ?


I shot a Gold Cup for quite a while, but it needed lots of work to make it comaparable to the new Kimber's. The Kimber Tactical Custom II is the way to go, that's my main gun of choice right now, shoots like a dream, dead on the money. Feeds anything that I've tried in it, even empty cases mixed in the mag just to try.
 
Hey guys, I just saw that Arms East is listing the Dan Wesson Pointman Seven ! Looks like a real good shooter, and it's in my price range.. .with nearly all the features I want (it just lacks an enlarged magwell and front strap checkering)...

Anybody tried one ?
 
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can't go wrong with a smith 1911, sometimes you will find a great price on a quality used one on the ee. i did.

had bad experience once with a gold cup, but my fault. used a colt series 70 modified at an ipsc match, the after market front sight blew off because it was not staked down properly. one of my friends lent me his gold cup, for the balance of the match, worked fine until i dove into the calvert tunnel which had sand on the floor part, landed on my right elbow (should have been my left, as i shoot right handed) normally it would be fine, but this caused a light sand spray over the gun, thumb down the safety to fire, and nothing happened

the gun jammed, did have to eject the mag, rack the slide, take out the live round, shake / blow the sand dust out, finally got it to work, embarassing whole minute inside the tunnel, and one of the guys yelling to see if i was all right. it was funny when i look back on it.

that was about 25 years ago, never used a gold cup again, extremely accurate, but very tight gun, and too tight for me. lol
 
FWIW, S&W is offering a 100.00 US rebate on their 1911's until April 30th. From your list I'd look at STI, S&W or Dan Wesson....YMMV.
 
Since you appreciate 50 yard accuracy (Match 3 and 5B), I doubt very
much any of the 1911 listed in < $1500 here will satisfy your needs.

Observe or ask the US and German high masters. They all go with
custom built or rebuilt 1911 in 9mm, PPC9 or Sig X-fives, Sig 210 for the
NRA 5 inch distinguish matches. There are also some tweaked
92FS which will do as well (USAMU custom build/rebuilds them to
rest 2 inch at 50 yards for Camp Perry).

If you are not going to participate in the NRA Distinguish Pistol, you can go
with a long slide (6 inch). The CPCA rules permits up to 6 inch pistols for
the CPCA Distinguish pistol match.

If you want a guarantee that you are at least 10-ring at 50 yards on
the B27, then ask the vendors of the $700-$1500 products to provide
ransom test target to prove it.

When you are wanting that degree of accuracy, look at Les Baer
1911 PPC Distinguish $2085 usd, but you need to cough up more
$ for the 1 1/2 inch guarantee (add $295 usd). It is cheaper than
having one custom built by a good smith in Canada. But expect a
long wait, even for a domestic custom build of this quality.

There is more to achieving this level of accuracy than assembling a
collection of high grade parts. Also, how long (number of rounds) will they
hold this level of accuracy?

Another choice : S&W 952 if you can't get a PPC9.
 
Since you appreciate 50 yard accuracy (Match 3 and 5B), I doubt very
much any of the 1911 listed in < $1500 here will satisfy your needs.

If you want a guarantee that you are at least 10-ring at 50 yards on
the B27, then ask the vendors of the $700-$1500 products to provide
ransom test target to prove it.

When you are wanting that degree of accuracy, look at Les Baer
1911 PPC Distinguish $2085 usd, but you need to cough up more
$ for the 1 1/2 inch guarantee (add $295 usd). It is cheaper than
having one custom built by a good smith in Canada. But expect a
long wait, even for a domestic custom build of this quality.


+1 on all counts....4 to 6 months wait! Any Les Baers can be ordered with the 1 1/2 inch guarentee....except SS IIRC!
 
Kimber Stainless Gold Match II would be my choice off that list, but good luck finding one. I'm on about a 6 month - 1 year wait for a stainless version.

My Blued Gold Match II is quite nice, and I have an STI Trojan on the way. I will do a comparison when I get it.
 
+1 on all counts....4 to 6 months wait! Any Les Baers can be ordered with the 1 1/2 inch guarentee....except SS IIRC!

I'm curious as to what's the problem with stainless steel ? Is it just a decision from Les Baer to not offer stainless custom guns or is it an intrinsic property of the metal which makes it more difficult to tighten a stainless frame/slide/bushing fit versus a chrome-moly steel gun ?
 
Many high end customer builders do not believe you can get a tight
enough fit between stainless steel to stainless steel for this level of
accuracy.

When S/S is fitted this tight, galling can and will take effect. The slide
and the lockup may not function right even when lubricated. To get it
right, the tolerances have to be relaxed (and the accuracy suffers).
Many believe steel to steel, or chrome plated to steel, or chrome plated
to chrome plated will give the tightest operating fit.

However, there are comparable non 1911s which are fully S/S such
as the S&W 952, S&W PPC9, and Sig X-series whose accuracy does
not suffer. That said, these firearms do not lockup like the 1911
and appear to function accurrately with looser slide to frame tolerances
than a comparably accurate 1911.

Any slop in the slide to frame fit, barrel lockup to slide, barrel bushing
play, inconsistent lockup and you will start ransoming into the 9-ring
at 50 yards.
 
Care to share your experience on this 1911 ?
Thanks

Sure. I currently own 15 1911's (gad I hope my wife doesn't read this) and the DW is in the top two in terms of fit and finish and accuracy. I've put almost 1000 rounds through it and it still needs to be worked in. It's a Series 70 for one, it comes with an Ed Brown grip safety, match grade bbl, extended mag release, wolf springs and dehorned from CZ. Beautiful grips and a classic look all for way less then what you would think it's worth. Frankly it had me when I learned how accurate it is.
 
Decades ago,
right after the AMT Stainless steel "Hardballer" fiasco [ BUTTERBALLER was more like it!!! ] ...
Randall solved the galling/fit issue with SS built .45 Govt type pistols. Their solution [ greatly simplified ] was to use different hardnesses for the slide and the frame. Randall used Precipitation Hardened 17-4 SS, for both the frame and the slide, and DOUBLE Heat Treated the slides. The slide were so damned hard, you got WHITE sparks when you bead blasted. Milling a rear sight into a Randall slide required Slowwww feed and shallow cuts. So it took longer to work on these than on regular 4140 blue gun steel pistols.

I built up a few dozen SS pistols from Randall components. I campaigned one for several years in IPSC standard class, occasionally shot bowling pin matches with .45 SUPER in a fitted 6" heavy coned barrel, put in a 6" ramped barrel, comped it, and made it into a full house race gun [ 155 Gr .45 bullets at 1200 FPS worked my proprietary comp just fine, thank you ].

Then, when I got out of competition, I bobbed the barrel and slide to 4 1/4", for my SHTF "Command Performance" gun.

I had that Randall pistol for over a decade. Shot tens of thousands of rounds through it, and it was always more accurate than I was. On a good day, with a scope and a rest, I could put a full mag of IPSC rated OMA 180 Gr hard cast bullets into 2" - 2 1/2'" ... at FIFTY yards.

So, it can be done ... accurate reliable SS Colt Govt pistols are possible. Randall, and Detonics too, proved it. But, it is always going to be a bit harder to build one out of SS.

And remember,
there are a lot of different types , brands, and grades of "stainless". And lots of different ways to machine it and harden it. SS works differently than regular 4140 gun steel, and this can both a good thing and a bad thing. Remember when Springfield armoury first came out with their "loaded" M1A, with a SS barrel as part of the package? unfortunately, many of the SS barrels had chambers cut very badly ... rough as hell ...mostly due to the gun smiters not using correct procedures, feed speeds, lubrication etc, and the reamers chattered, galled, and ... well you get the picture.

You can't work SS same as blue and expect the same results. Take a caliper to your blue Mini 14 barrel, and a SS Mini 14 barrel ... notice the difference? The much rougher SS barrel exteriors shows that even Ruger can forget this basic fact. That being said, the Ruger SS Redhawk and Securty Six pistols are some of the best ever made ... so they can do it if they want to.

Of course, as with any opinion expressed on the internet, your personal mileage may vary.
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Sure. I currently own 15 1911's (gad I hope my wife doesn't read this) and the DW is in the top two in terms of fit and finish and accuracy. I've put almost 1000 rounds through it and it still needs to be worked in. It's a Series 70 for one, it comes with an Ed Brown grip safety, match grade bbl, extended mag release, wolf springs and dehorned from CZ. Beautiful grips and a classic look all for way less then what you would think it's worth. Frankly it had me when I learned how accurate it is.

I just ordered a DWPM7 from Arms East, anymore thoughts on this model? What's the warranty like and how is Arms East for customer service?
 
I am quite surprised that no-one mentioned Dlask? http://www.dlaskarms.com/

I've yet to shot one of his pistols, but I've had the chance to try some that he worked on... and they were all very nice!

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And they are made right here in Canada!
 
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