BEST 22Lr target gun

Ruger

I have had 3 Ruger Mark II's. My first was a Mark II Government Model target with A 6 7/8 tapered barrel. It was incredibly accurate and would out shoot me any day. It would digest Winchester wildcats all day without a hiccup. I could keep everything in the 8 /9 /10 ring of a 25 yard target. Actually have a target in the garage with 1 hole in it. I kick myself that I sold it because the other two are not any more accurate. If I could get that one back I would. My latest MKII is a stainless slabsider target. I don't shoot it a lot because my 686 has a match trigger in it and I find I shoot it more cause it is absolutely superb about one pound SA. Get a Mk II or III Government Model, drop a Volquartsen kit in it and it will keep up with anything out there for 1/2 the price. They are durable, can be tuned to a fine degree of accuracy and will digest just about anything out there.




Wade
 
I was told by the guy that owned the Walther that I shot that putting my MkII and his Walther in a Ransom rest that the Ruger would out shoot the GSP, but the GSP would out shoot the Ruger in your hand because it is more forgiving. I pulled a could of shots with the GSP both to the right and the left and the holes were touching on both pairs. I think that he was telling the truth.
 
KDX said:
I was told by the guy that owned the Walther that I shot that putting my MkII and his Walther in a Ransom rest that the Ruger would out shoot the GSP, but the GSP would out shoot the Ruger in your hand because it is more forgiving. I pulled a could of shots with the GSP both to the right and the left and the holes were touching on both pairs. I think that he was telling the truth.
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KDX,

You could probably get anatomical grips and a trigger job for the Ruger to compensate. I've never seen or heard of any top shooters doing that or using a Ruger.
 
Baal said:
Here's some targets I've shot with my Beretta 89 using various ammo, no rest. They're 8 round groups.

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Wow Baal, very nice group... If you can consistently do that one hand at 25y let me know! I'll put you in touch with the National team pistol coach ;) He's always looking for new shooters.

As far as the best target 22lr pistol... eventhought the S&W41, High Standard Victor, Ruger MK2 and the like are good pistol... their design and ergonomics are a little outdated. It's a bit like doing a comparaison between an older Corvette and a new Porsche, they are not quite in the same category.

If you've got the money, you should have a look at (in no particular order)

The Benelli MP90
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http://www.benelli.it/Prodotti/

The Walther SSP
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Or the Walther GSP
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http://www.carl-walther.de/englisch/sport/katalog-sport.html

The Matchgun MG2
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http://www.matchguns.com/pagine/ingmod2.html

The Feinwerkbau AW93
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http://www.feinwerkbau.de/ceasy.html?cPageId=32

If you can find one, the IZH 35
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http://www.baikalinc.ru/eng/prod/hguns/izh35m/

There's also
Pardini: http://www.pardini.it/armi.html
FAS Domino: http://www.fasdomino.com/
Hammerli: http://www.haemmerli.ch/index.php?id=34&L=1

They are not cheap... but they are the best :D

Mike.
 
BCP said:
KDX,

You could probably get anatomical grips and a trigger job for the Ruger to compensate. I've never seen or heard of any top shooters doing that or using a Ruger.
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I think the Walther is just plain easier to shoot good with, from what I understood. The Ruger is every bit as accurate, or even more so in a Ransom rest.
 
I've got both a Ruger MK2 and a GSP... Accuracy at 20y is pretty much the same.

The few things I don't like about the Ruger are;
1- Reliability: I could never get my MK2 to fire more then 60rds in a row without some kind of a jam... If you are just plinking that's no big deal. When shooting a match, it's something you don't want to happen.
2- The trigger could use a whole lot of work...
3- Putting a MK2 togheter after cleaning is... well... and experience...

What I really like about the GSP.
1- The sights... available in different width front/back
2- Nice trigger
3- Modular design, easy to take apart.

My 2 cents,
Mike.
 
sillymike said:
Wow Baal, very nice group... If you can consistently do that one hand at 25y let me know! I'll put you in touch with the National team pistol coach ;) He's always looking for new shooters.
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Thanks. Nope, I can't do it consistently. I only wish. Using a two handed shooting stance I can do it about one target in 25.

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KDX said:
I think the Walther is just plain easier to shoot good with, from what I understood. The Ruger is every bit as accurate, or even more so in a Ransom rest.
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That's why I suggested the anatomical grips and trigger job. That would make it easier to shoot good. You could also change the sights if they're not to your liking. A new GSP Expert would cost about $1800. Compare that to the Ruger at about $600. That leaves $1200 for grips and trigger job. I would of expected some of the top shooters to have done this, as they are looking for the best accuracy.
 
I've had both a Mk II and GSP. No comparison, and no amount of trigger work will make a Mk II into a GSP, although the Mk II isn't a bad gun.

GSP's trigger is fully adjustable, better sight radius, better and fully adjustable sights, better chamber fit, less recoil/flip (built-in recoil reducer), visibly better bore, etc.

Thats why "top shooters" don't try to convert a sow's ear into a silk purse.

I would want to see groups from a Ransom rest and an unbiased operator before believing the previous statements. The test target that came with my GSP was outstanding, and a Mk II could not have matched it.
 
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Got a Browning fn challanger, 6 7/8 inch barrel. Have not tested it on paper yet but had it along one day at the range shooting 100 meters.
I put a pop can out on the backstop and gave it a go. I tell ya that is a fine pistol. I had that pop can dancing , it was fun. And this was off hand , I could not beleave the balance and accuracy of this pistol.
So it gets my vote. if you see one of those hanging around(they don't make em any more ) grab it up.
Frank
 
Most accurate at what distance? If 50m then any of the currently marketed Free Pistols ( no, they are no free $-wise). I have two older Haemmerlis (152, 160). Both shoot machine-rest groups less than dime size at 50 m. Ten shots in one hole.
I also have Walthers which do a fair job at 25m. Price : Costs vary with the quality of the products. You need to test fire a lot of them to see what fits you personally.
 
High end pistols

Just put some money down on a Pardini SP NEW today.
My IZH now becomes backup, and my High Standard Supermatic will now be looking for a new home.

Next step will be a Pardini .32 HP from the same person.
Will keep the M52 but some other centerfires will have to go.


Many pistols are capable of fine groups, locked up in a rest.
The classsy ones are those that will do it consistantly from one hand, unsupported.
That's what separates the "Mercedes" from the 'Trabant"
 
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funkymonkey said:
What is the Most accurate target hand gun, in the 22lr caliber? For the best price?

I hear alot about High standard Victor.
ruger mark 2 & 3.
as wel as cz kadet.
hammerli.


Please tell me what you think? Prefer opinons of people with experince.
thanks
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Perhaps you are not aware that there are different classes of competitions for handgun(.22) on the international scene. There are Free Pistol events fired at 50m and they definitely demand the most accurate handguns on this planet. And then there are Sport/Standard pistols for 25m events. Go to www.visier.de/test_rang.html and click on: Rangliste-Kleinkaliber-Kurzwaffen.
Here are the top 4 in each categories (out of 100 as tested by the International Firearms Journal - Visier):
Free Pistols: Steyr MPFP 97, Morini CM84E 97, Haemmerli 160 Special 96, Haemmerli 162 Electronic 96.
Sport/Standard Pistols: Walther GSP Expert 97, Walther GSP 97, Morini CM22 96, Feinwerkbau AW 93, 96.
I have a Haemmerli 160. The included test target shows 10rds in 1 hole less than the size of a dime at 50m.
Also have a Walther GSP(actually several), an older model, shoots a lot better than I do. I have been at it for many years, national and international experience. I would have tossed it long time ago if it didn't meet my requirements.
Hope this helps.
 
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I shoot Standard and Sport with a Pardini SP. I found the old Walther designs too nose heavy, and for the new Hammerli (however that's spelled) and/or Walthers, you pay twice as much for the same squality gun. The only thing with Pardinis is that if you want two calibers, you need to buy two guns, no changable tops like with the others. But what you pay for the SP and the HP together is what you'd pay for just the .22 Hammerli, so you're still ahead...

Re Pardini HP (the .32S&W one) - be VERY careful and gentle with the mags, the extractor is part of the mag. If that thing bends, you'll never get it back into perfect working order again, hehe, no matter how much you try... The .22s aren't too bad.
 
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