Best 9mm Ammo for Self defence?

Finally some reactions.

Guys , everyone is responsable for his or her own action.

The point I was making that the anti's are after the legal gun owners, and I am sure some of them read this forum and some others ones too, so please don't give them more ammo.

Thanks.....
 
You don't need to match the attacker, you can use whatever force is reasonable if your intent was not to kill or cause grievous bodily harm.

Unfortunatley for vancity, if he were to defend himself and his family tonight using some of the ammo he inquired about in this thread, and the cops or prosecutors find this conversation, they will try to prove that his intent was to kill or cause BGH, they might even try and say it was premeditated (ok, me being paranoid but you never know). In any case depending on circumstances, they might have a good chance of conviction.

If on the other hand, he were to defend himself and his family using the ammo that he uses regularly when practicing at the range, its a lot easier to say there was no intent to kill etc...

My .02$, buy lots of cheap ball ammo and shoot a lot.
 
Unfortunatley for vancity, if he were to defend himself and his family tonight using some of the ammo he inquired about in this thread, and the cops or prosecutors find this conversation, they will try to prove that his intent was to kill or cause BGH, they might even try and say it was premeditated (ok, me being paranoid but you never know). In any case depending on circumstances, they might have a good chance of conviction.

If on the other hand, he were to defend himself and his family using the ammo that he uses regularly when practicing at the range, its a lot easier to say there was no intent to kill etc...

My .02$, buy lots of cheap ball ammo and shoot a lot.

the other side to your argument would be that he was being responsible in his choice of defensive ammunition by choosing something that would not over-penetrate and increase the risk to other innocents should he ever be forced to defend himself and family.

these are all things that you will need a good lawyer for during the aftermath.

you must fight and win to get to that point. so pick tools that will compliment your training to ensure that you have the luxury of surviving to fight it out in court.

recommending ball ammunition for self defense is like coaching a MLB player to use a plastic tee-ball bat.
 
Why are police carrying HP ammo; is 'cos their intension is to kill or cause BGH?
Why is it that HP ammo is sold as defensive ammo say in the USA? 'Cos it's meant to kill?

It's wide open to argument but HP ammo has better stopping power first and way better chances it won't exit and hit another person.
 
You are completely and utterly wrong! If I may quote section 34 of the Criminal Code of Canada:
Defence of Person
Self-defence against unprovoked assault


34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

Extent of justification

(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and

(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 34; 1992, c. 1, s. 60(F).

Is this a direct quote from the criminal code? I am no lawyer but the act looks as though it does NOT apply to women!!!
 
Unfortunatley for vancity, if he were to defend himself and his family tonight using some of the ammo he inquired about in this thread, and the cops or prosecutors find this conversation, they will try to prove that his intent was to kill or cause BGH, they might even try and say it was premeditated (ok, me being paranoid but you never know). In any case depending on circumstances, they might have a good chance of conviction.

If on the other hand, he were to defend himself and his family using the ammo that he uses regularly when practicing at the range, its a lot easier to say there was no intent to kill etc...

My .02$, buy lots of cheap ball ammo and shoot a lot.


You're right, the potential for issues in court are very real. So is the possibility of dying in your home as a law abiding citizen. I'm sure you would receive the order of Canada for refraining from using a firearm against an intruder.

The other side of the argument has been pointed out by Manboy and others.

TDC
 
Flying ashtrays ( Hollow Points ) .
Iv'e hand loaded different types of hollow points & find speers work the best in my testings. Remember shot placements should be # 1 , then the ammo your using.If your a skilled shooter i'd aim for head shots first,then the neck shots second,groin shots third,body mass shots forth.

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i'd aim for head shots first,then the neck shots second,groin shots third,body mass shots forth.

Way to contradict almost every military, police and armed security firearms/use of force trainer in north america...
 
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You're right, the potential for issues in court are very real. So is the possibility of dying in your home as a law abiding citizen. I'm sure you would receive the order of Canada for refraining from using a firearm against an intruder.

The other side of the argument has been pointed out by Manboy and others.

TDC

Well vancity is no cop and cant CCW, so its home defence we are talking about here. Pistol is impractical. You have it double locked and unloaded. How fast can you bring it to bear on an intruder?

If you are serious about home defence you would be thinking shotgun.
 
...its home defence we are talking about here. Pistol is impractical. You have it double locked and unloaded. How fast can you bring it to bear on an intruder?

If you are serious about home defence you would be thinking shotgun.

Beep, beep, beep... Click, ka-chunk.

And you're good to go.

If you are serious about home defence you would be thinking electronic-access safe.
 
Well vancity is no cop and cant CCW, so its home defence we are talking about here. Pistol is impractical. You have it double locked and unloaded. How fast can you bring it to bear on an intruder?

If you are serious about home defence you would be thinking shotgun.

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The shotgun is the better choice.

TDC
 
Well vancity is no cop and cant CCW, so its home defence we are talking about here. Pistol is impractical. You have it double locked and unloaded. How fast can you bring it to bear on an intruder?

If you are serious about home defence you would be thinking shotgun.

Why would you have it double locked? This is mis-information. If it's in a safe, it's not a legal requirement to be trigger locked as well. IN A SAFE IT ONLY HAS TO BE UNLOADED. (This doesn't have to be time consuming, depending on where your safe is of course)
 
Why would you have it double locked? This is mis-information. If it's in a safe, it's not a legal requirement to be trigger locked as well. IN A SAFE IT ONLY HAS TO BE UNLOADED. (This doesn't have to be time consuming, depending on where your safe is of course)

And while the pistol may have to be unloaded, the mag doesn't. So open safe, grab, mag in, rack slide. You think a home invader is going to make a f---ing beeline to your room when they get in? They don't know your house.
 
Why would you have it double locked? This is mis-information. If it's in a safe, it's not a legal requirement to be trigger locked as well. IN A SAFE IT ONLY HAS TO BE UNLOADED. (This doesn't have to be time consuming, depending on where your safe is of course)

Oh, was I thinking of transportation regulations? I'll have to educate myself on this. Still assuming that either firearm was as easy to access, I'd still go for a shotgun. When you rack that mofo the guys on the other side of your bedroom door are gonna know you mean business.
 
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