Best all around bush gun (rifle or shotgun)

My camp and self preservation rifle when not hunting is my 350 RM in a Mod 7 KS with a light 20" barrel and a 1.5-5 Leupold. Loaded with 225 gn ABs with the plastic nose clipped off, it is among the fastest pointing useful caliber rifles I own. Boomer can attest to it's portability and pointability and never fear you don't have enough cartridge for a large aggressive bear of any description.
Those who advocate rifles chambered in pistol cartridges have never been close to real big grizzlies obviously, I sat in a truck and watched a bear walk by at 5 feet and thought maybe my 340 Wby with 250 Partitions MIGHT NOT be big enough. A fellow hunter turned this bear down at 150 yds with a 338 WM stating he didn't get the perfect angle and there was no way in hell he was pulling the trigger unless he could guarantee the bear collapsed where it stood 'cause he wouldn't go into the brush after it if it didn't. There is nothing in NA like a huge grizzly (polar bear) to make you rethink what you want to pack for self preservation. Looking at an animal as big as a medium sized horse, with muscles of steel and bones of titanium, teeth the size of small bananas and claws the size of big bananas and speed bursts than can catch a quarter horse in 200 mtrs..................My 350RM keeps me feeling warm and fuzzy and safe, a handgun cartridge rifle......HHHMMMMMMM........no thanks, 12 gauge.....no thanks.
The other factor Boomer brought into play, of distance dispersion of the group you are supposedly protecting, is also completely negated with the 350 RM as I can be a very lethal participant right out to 300 mtrs, if necessary.
To each his own, and I understand that the threat down east is black bears only and they don't require the same amount of killing as a determined grizzly, nor do they even come close to the size of a large grizzly, so geographical location plays a big part in what is appropriate self preservation medicine. Anyway this is my choice and I'm sticking to it..........

Mmmmmm.........., and here I have a Ruger Hawkeye in .350 RM that I was trying to sell. Dawned on me this weekend that I should perhaps rechamber it to .35 WSM, lop the barrel off at about 18", and add a NECG banded front sight. Should get 2650fps with 250's (3900ft/lbs), that's somewhat between the .350RM and .358 Norma Mag, all out of an 18" barrel. I'm starting to like this idea! :)
 
Having been stalked by a large grizzly as close as 30 feet in thick brush while toting a Ruger MKII in 308, I can attest that it makes you feel mighty under gunned. Shot placement is critical, but no way in hell would I consider ANY pistol cartridge as adequate even if I was the fastest and best shot that ever lived. Even with the 308, I didn't shoot and worked my way out of the situation thinking that I would only fire if he charged, I didn't need an injured and angry bear the size of a Hereford bull on top of me.

Now that I hunt mainly in Ontario, any rifle I have with me while hunting is more than up to the task of defending camp from smokey the bear. Out of habit though I still bring a 3" 12ga pump loaded with alternating buckshot and slugs for camp.....
 
Well this thread predictably deviated waayyy off course from the OP's clearly stated intention of NO HUNTING and NO SCOPES.

Some of the rec's for one who is clearly not an experienced hunter and or likely firearm enthusiast are simply laughable!!!!

For the clearly stated intention and limitation the OP stated....
The weapon should be as user friendly and reliable as possible and as portable and light as possible.
The old adage......the best gun is the one you actually have with you when you need it......always rings true.

If the gun is not portable/light/easy to carry and handle it will likely NOT be with you when you need it....it'll be set aside somewhere, in the truck/tent/atv etc cuz it was too much of a PITA to cart around and or have ready.....you'll likely be empty handed when the narrow window of urgency requires the damn thing.
Due to our retarded pistol laws.....with respect to wilderness carry...we are precluded from the obvious and far safer choice for shooter and others alike....a sturdy/powerful pistol in a properly designed holster!!!!

The shortest lever gun and or pump shotgun the user can practically operate and make hits with of decent quality set up with user friendly features such as a quality/well designed sling, sites IS THE ONLY appropriate sensible choice. 12G in shotgun and anything 3030 level energy and above.
Above all else PRACTICE with it....shooting standing /moving/from sleeping bag/from sitting/kneeling, making hits on realistic target shapes and sizes, reloading, troubleshooting, clearance/failure drills, understanding it's range and limitations.
Make the entire gun as smooth and snag free as possible so that it isn't a constant nuisance to carry/pack/store and is quick to deploy and not snag when being urgently retrieved and deployed.



One man's 2c worth.
 
Victoria BC bear, and Ottawa ON bear, are two different kinds of bear. I know I wouldn't feel safe with anything 3030 level energy, would have to be well above that. 12Ga slug is good but somewhat limited. If you're looking for bear medicine, particular grizzly, and worried about portability you're going to have to make compromises one way or the other. Off the shelf a .375 Ruger Alaskan would do it, stainless, good iron sights, handy length barrel.
 
12 gauge with Brenneke or Gualandi slugs.

Might also consider a Remington 760/7600 in either 30-06 (220 grain rounds) or 35 Whelen. Pump action and more accurate than the shotty if you think you might have to take a shot past 50 yards.

If you want, here is a report on USA Forest Service testing. I found it helpful.
 
Victoria BC bear, and Ottawa ON bear, are two different kinds of bear. I know I wouldn't feel safe with anything 3030 level energy, would have to be well above that. 12Ga slug is good but somewhat limited. If you're looking for bear medicine, particular grizzly, and worried about portability you're going to have to make compromises one way or the other. Off the shelf a .375 Ruger Alaskan would do it, stainless, good iron sights, handy length barrel.


Because I currently live in Ottawa you assume I haven't lived/worked/hunted/played in every province of this country.......you'd be wrong as I have .

Secondly you may have missed the point I made about the rifle's calibre........."The shortest lever gun and or pump shotgun the user can practically operate and make hits with"
By all means something bigger than 3030 is ideal.....but can the shooter operate it without closing their eyes and flinching??
Far better to make solid hits with the 3030 or 12g slug gun than very loud flinch misses with the howitzer....and they won't likely practice much with it either!!

Again....one mans opinion.

Thanks for the clarification on bears tho....hell I could prolly take a local black bear with a 1022.....LOL
 
Well this thread predictably deviated waayyy off course from the OP's clearly stated intention of NO HUNTING and NO SCOPES.

Some of the rec's for one who is clearly not an experienced hunter and or likely firearm enthusiast are simply laughable!!!!

For the clearly stated intention and limitation the OP stated....
The weapon should be as user friendly and reliable as possible and as portable and light as possible.
The old adage......the best gun is the one you actually have with you when you need it......always rings true.

If the gun is not portable/light/easy to carry and handle it will likely NOT be with you when you need it....it'll be set aside somewhere, in the truck/tent/atv etc cuz it was too much of a PITA to cart around and or have ready.....you'll likely be empty handed when the narrow window of urgency requires the damn thing.
Due to our retarded pistol laws.....with respect to wilderness carry...we are precluded from the obvious and far safer choice for shooter and others alike....a sturdy/powerful pistol in a properly designed holster!!!!

The shortest lever gun and or pump shotgun the user can practically operate and make hits with of decent quality set up with user friendly features such as a quality/well designed sling, sites IS THE ONLY appropriate sensible choice. 12G in shotgun and anything 3030 level energy and above.
Above all else PRACTICE with it....shooting standing /moving/from sleeping bag/from sitting/kneeling, making hits on realistic target shapes and sizes, reloading, troubleshooting, clearance/failure drills, understanding it's range and limitations.
Make the entire gun as smooth and snag free as possible so that it isn't a constant nuisance to carry/pack/store and is quick to deploy and not snag when being urgently retrieved and deployed.



One man's 2c worth.

Yup.
 
I find it funny that the armchair warriors out there are disregarding posters who live and work in big bear country, and have faced large bears, and killed them.

Imagination trumps actual experience. ROFL
 
Thanks everyone, they're all good options.

Non-restricted and shorter is better for me
Try to find yourself, ideally an older pump action M37 Ithaca Ultralight shotgun (alloy receiver) or the regular M37 Ithaca Featherlight (lightest all steel receiver) in the Deerslayer configuration in 20 gauge with the 20inch slug barrel. Find this with a rifled barrel and perhaps try out some faster/harder sabot slugs maybe?

Uber light, lots of close range clobber, very reliable IMO.
If you can't find a 20, settle for 12 instead, as unfortuneately, 16 gauge Brennekes and 16 gauge Deerslayers, are pretty much impossible to find in Canada.

my two bits only

This older name brand, often runs at least 1 pound lighter in weight, than the equal in the 870 shotgun BTW.
They are fairly expensive in brand new manufacture, but the older ones are much more inexpensive.
 
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Actually they're the same, both areas only have black bear. No grizzly on the island. There's been the odd sighting, but you'd probably have a better chance of getting mauled by the Kokanee Sasquatch.

Those numbers are increasing. The wildlife biologists I have talked with suspect the Griz population is up on the mainland pushing the younger Grizz towards the island.
 
Wow, I have to say I'm seeing some strange answers to "best all around bush gun"... 12 guage with 12.5 bbl? Mini-14? Seriously? These are some of the least versatile firearms out there. No offense, but nothing in any .22 cal is going to win any sort of "all around" awards, ever.

12 Guage is very definitely a contender, but forget super stubby barrels. 18.5" minimum. 12 guage is nice as it can also shoot flares and bear bangers. A reliable double barrel is a viable option here too.

Other suggestions like handy lever actions in 30-30 or larger, carbines in heavier pistol calibers ( .44 mag, 45 colt) or Jungle Carbine or M38/M44 for the milsurp crowd, etc, would all fill the role. The details don't really matter, just the proficiency of the shooter with the firearm.
 
Victoria BC bear, and Ottawa ON bear, are two different kinds of bear. I know I wouldn't feel safe with anything 3030 level energy, would have to be well above that. 12Ga slug is good but somewhat limited. If you're looking for bear medicine, particular grizzly, and worried about portability you're going to have to make compromises one way or the other. Off the shelf a .375 Ruger Alaskan would do it, stainless, good iron sights, handy length barrel.

I think the OP needs to clarify what animals he is going to run into. I am looking for the same thing, and was thinking 12 gauge with slugs. But the grizzly I bumped at 40 yards as me rethinking the entire topic because I do not think the 12 would be enough. If the OP is not in grizzly country then the 3030 and bigger would be fine, along with the 12 gauge with slugs.
 
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