Best Bedside Defense Shotgun

ADK said:
I don't know where to begin your post is so full of ####. So instead of reading the links I posted we're going to debate the combined wisdom of the Canadian version of AR15.com (here) as opposed to LF?
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please, I'm dying to know.

I read them and don't agree with them. anyone can write an article on the net. doesn't mean I have to agree with it, based on my experience and knowledge. and I'm glad I caught your original post before you edited it.
 
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ADK said:
I wasn't serious when soliciting a response from you. And your post shows why. So you deal in reality? You might want to go over your post as there is alot more fantasy than reality. So instead of reading the links I posted we're going to debate the combined wisdom of the Canadian version of AR15.com (here) as opposed to LF?
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such as?
 
cal9mm said:
please, I'm dying to know.

I read them and don't agree with them. anyone can right an article on the net. doesn't mean I have to agree with it, based on my experience and knowledge. and I'm glad I caught your original post before you edited it.
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I edited that part by mistake. Your original post is still full of ####. You claim that members on LF have to be vetted yet somehow "just anyone can write an article on the net". Well which one is it? Vetted doesn't = anyone. But I guess your understanding is convenient for your arguement.
 
cal9mm said:
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Your entire post. Your mindset. Your thought process. I realised how much I've debased myself just by trying to get a point across to people like you. You have your mindset and that's fine, for you. I'm just glad you and the other experts in this thread are not responsible for my life, and hopefully no one else's.
 
ADK said:
Your entire post. Your mindset. Your thought process. I realised how much I've debased myself just by trying to get a point across to people like you. You have your mindset and that's fine, for you. I'm just glad you and the other experts in this thread are not responsible for my life, and hopefully no one else's.
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"amateurs talk hardware, professionals talk software." - Lt Col Dave Grossman, end of conversation.
 
I am far from paranoid and I haven't done any such stuff for myself but I think, just like army, the perimeter needs to be secured before you start contemplating shooting a perp at close quarters - likely already in your bedroom. If the perp has come that far, you have already lost much of the advantage of being on home-ground. As someone said before, if you are really keen, get an alarm and a dog (or two)...one of them can be defeated easily but not both. And then, when you are awake and ready, even a baseball bat can be a formidable instrument.
 
It's funny how the most mundane question on this forum always ends up in a pissing match. You guys should just step out into the schoolyard and finish your shouting match out there. Oh, and I see a lock in the near future.
 
An array of flares and bear bangers with some custom confetti rounds thrown in would f**k your whole living room up but if I'm on drugs when that goes down I'm either on the ground screaming or running in absolute terror screaming.
 
From purely a terminal ballistic point of view, the shotgun has tremendous potential as a fight stopper. At a typical household maximum range of 20-25 feet, the pattern from an open choke gun will typically be 7 or 8 inches, and you can expect the action to be closer than that. Anyone who thinks that birdshot isn't a fight stopper should reevaluate their position; you're putting an ounce to an ounce and a half projectile on your target. Compared to a pistol round, and many carbine rounds, that's significant. If your first shot doesn't produce the desired effect, the math is pretty simple. Shoot the bad guy in the pelvis, you've anchored him; if he doesn't give up at that point, you can at least move your family to a safe location. Shoot him in the chest or the head, and his participation of the fight is concluded. That being said, a variety of shells in a sidesaddle might prove beneficial. If a family member is being held by the badguys, a slug provides the precision necessary for a clean hit without the risk of injury to the hostage from a stray pellet that's outside the normal pattern. Any gunfire within a dwelling is potentially dangerous, so consideration must be given to the shot angle and direction to avoid the tragic consequences resulting from your gunfire injuring an innocent person. The badguys are under no such constraint, so if you're unable get your family to safety and shooting can't be avoided, its best to end it quickly. A protracted gunfight benefits no one; shoot first, shoot quickly, and shoot well. The importance of fire discipline cannot be overemphasized. You don't shoot more than you need to, and if you must shoot, you do so with the direction and shot angle in mind. Its important to think about this stuff before you're actually faced with it, and if these threads have any value at all, its not the argument between buckshot and birdshot, or the argument between shotgun and carbine, that's of value. The value is that you might consider the possibility of a home invasion and come up with a plan. If you know how you're going to respond to a particular threat, if you know what you can do with your gun, and if you already know where the danger areas lie within your home, you're well ahead of the curve.
 
Boomer said:
From purely a terminal ballistic point of view, the shotgun has tremendous potential as a fight stopper. At a typical household maximum range of 20-25 feet, the pattern from an open choke gun will typically be 7 or 8 inches, and you can expect the action to be closer than that.

Anyone who thinks that birdshot isn't a fight stopper should reevaluate their position; you're putting an ounce to an ounce and a half projectile on your target. Compared to a pistol round, and many carbine rounds, that's significant. If your first shot doesn't produce the desired effect, the math is pretty simple. Shoot the bad guy in the pelvis, you've anchored him; if he doesn't give up at that point, you can at least move your family to a safe location. Shoot him in the chest or the head, and his participation of the fight is concluded.

That being said, a variety of shells in a sidesaddle might prove beneficial. If a family member is being held by the badguys, a slug provides the precision necessary for a clean hit without the risk of injury to the hostage from a stray pellet that's outside the normal pattern. Any gunfire within a dwelling is potentially dangerous, so consideration must be given to the shot angle and direction to avoid the tragic consequences resulting from your gunfire injuring an innocent person. The badguys are under no such constraint, so if you're unable get your family to safety and shooting can't be avoided, its best to end it quickly.

A protracted gunfight benefits no one; shoot first, shoot quickly, and shoot well. The importance of fire discipline cannot be overemphasized. You don't shoot more than you need to, and if you must shoot, you do so with the direction and shot angle in mind. Its important to think about this stuff before you're actually faced with it, and if these threads have any value at all, its not the argument between buckshot and birdshot, or the argument between shotgun and carbine, that's of value. The value is that you might consider the possibility of a home invasion and come up with a plan.

If you know how you're going to respond to a particular threat, if you know what you can do with your gun, and if you already know where the danger areas lie within your home, you're well ahead of the curve.
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Good stuff Boomer, just had to break it up a bit to make it easier on the eyes.:cool:
 
To answer the OP's original question: The best one is the one YOU can load the fastest and under duress. Look up people setups for 3 gun. Watch few videos on strong hand and weak hand loading. Ones I've seen are really impressive.

Regarding loading under duress... I've done it. Once. Escaped con on the loose and was reported in the area. I hear noises in the middle of the night. By the time I found the keys to unlock the gun case, remove the trigger lock and load my tube fed .22, well, I'm sure 10 minutes went by. All I could think of was to say "hey Mr Bad Guy, could you hold on minute? I'm almost ready! Now where are my pj bottoms..." Turned out that there was no one there, but it was an interesting night. Things were stored a little more improperly after that (well until they caught the guy).
 
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The one time I loaded up to investigate a very menacing bump in the night, I couldn't figure out why the shell wouldn't go in, only to discover that I'd already filled the magazine to capacity on autopilot.

I bravely ventured forth and discovered a masked burglar trying to gain entry, one that was about 2 feet tall standing on its hind legs.

I fired three blasts at the intruder from a tactical spray bottle and it dashed off into the night.

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Stole this from the gun jokes thread. Thought it was appropriate.

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Long before you even think about the best gun for self defense, think of the best ways to avoid ever having to use a shotgun in the 1st place. 1st start off by ensuring that your entrance doors are more than a few boot kicks away from being broken down.

Then think about your windows sliding or french doors, and the best way to slow down entry in those. Then think about an alarm system that is monitored. As a real threat may have cut your land line, always keep your cell phone and car keys close. Car keys nowadays come with alarms that would get your neighbors looking out their windows. Especially if you have previously worked it out as a signal that there could be trouble at your home or theirs.

I already mentioned having a cell phone close. Call 911. If your threat is still around after that, You should have had enough time to grab any shotgun you want from secure storage. Plus there would be no question in the eyes of the law that your lives were in danger should you be forced to shoot.

My plan is to either let the cops shoot the dirt bags outside of my home while trying to break in through my difficult security perimeter, or they flee.
 
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Long before you even think about the best gun for self defense, think of the best ways to avoid ever having to use a shotgun in the 1st place. 1st start off by ensuring that your entrance doors are more than a few boot kicks away from being broken down.

The think about your windows sliding or french doors, and the best way to slow down entry in those. Then think about an alarm system that is monitored. As a real threat may have cut your land line, always keep your cell phone and car keys close. Car keys nowadays come with alarms that would get your neighbors looking out their windows. Especially if you have previously worked it out as a signal that there could be trouble at you home or theirs.

I already mentioned having a cell phone close. Call 911. If your threat is still around after that, You should have had enough time to grab any shotgun you want from secure storage. Plus there would be no question in the eyes of the law that your lives were in danger should you be forced to shoot.

My plan is to either let the cops shoot the dirt bags outside of my home while trying to break in through my difficult security perimeter, or they flee.
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This is pretty good advice although your order of operations is risky. My suggestion is grab the gun first, then call 911. Find a safe corner to hide in with gun ready for saving your life as required. Hopefully, police arrive before you need to use it.

Never pursue the intruder(s).

I have the alarm and fortified windows & doors. The icing on the cake is that I have video surveillance everywhere and it is accessible from my iPhone. I would usually know the location of the intruder(s) at all times.

I have had 2 break-in attempts in the last 18 years and both times, I grabbed a gun and inserted the loaded magazine. I called 911 and waited until police arrive. I find a safe place in the house that is dark and I stay hidden with gun in hand. I put the gun away safely before letting the police in. I have never actually needed the gun but it was nice to know I could if I had to..
 
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