Best bird dogs

Our GSP will not bump a procupine, but points rabbits and birds alike.
he will run and block rabbits as well.
he is solid until commanded to flush, BUT he is a short haired fella that does not like the cold too much.
My pointing lab I had when I was younger was the best danged bird/rabbit dog I ever saw, and he was awesome on waterfowl as well.
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I struck gold once... I actually had a beagle that would point birds... Now I have a borzoi... He points out where his snacks are and sleeps lots... I miss my beagle... Lol
 
Both my labs hunt both waterfowl and upland birds just fine. My yellow has an incredible nose for finding downed birds that I haven't seen. My black works off hand signals so he does the flushing generally.
 
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The German Short Hairs/Draktaars are suppose to be a very versitle and do a bit of everything. There owners will usually proudly make a short story very long on there dogs lofty German registered credentials and superb tracking and fetching abilities on everything from field mice to elephant and anything that can fly.

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Your statement is full of errors and ignorance...German Short Haired Pointer is not Drahthaar. Drahthaar means Wire Haired in German language.

The German Wirehaired Pointer registered in North America is not bred to the same standards as European standards for last 115 years or so.

In GWP there is no breed standards that would disqualify them from breeding. Deutsch Drahthaar dogs are selected for special traits and only dogs that don't have faults and pass field trials are allowed to reproduce and have registered puppies.



They are super family dogs, very trainable, guard dogs if need to be, very good water dogs, good upland but due to the fact that they work with nose to the ground (low wind) not as good as more specialized breeds of pointers but than DD are excellent trackers if trained.

There is field test in European countries that they put them on trail of wounded large game and they need to find it come back to the hunter and lead him\her to were the game is. Not every DD is capable of this.

I don't think that all GWP are poor quality but I think that there is a better chance to get better dog bred to higher standards choosing DD.

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Don't worry about the breed, worry about the breeding. Research pedigrees for health, hunting desire and ability, and watch out for breeders selling pure breds with out papers for what seems like a good deal. Don't get me wrong, I grew up with mutts and mongrels and they were great dogs, but if you want a great hunting dog, do your research, ask the breeder to see the parents, ask for references from owners of previous litters. And the breeder is very important too, I met my breeder 4 years ago at a sportsmen show and now he is a great friend who I hunt with a lot.

Just for the record, I have weimaraners and I love my pups and wouldn't trade them for anything. But there are lots of great versatile breeds out there. Remember...research!
 
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My best dog is my current German Shorthair Pointer. Best dog Ive ever hunted pheasant with plus crosses over to hunt waterfowl. When the Labs tire out he's just warmed up :D
 
A beagle/lab mix might offer that best of both worlds and help reduce the risk of breed-specific aliments common to purebreds. I've known two from different litters that were very eager to locate/chase game and retrieve but we didn't expect them to point nicely at a pheasant :p Both dogs retained the typical beagle vocals and had clearly webbed feet from their lab side. They were also small, typical sizing of the 'field' lines previous mentioned which was key in the woods. Keeping them warm on a day of cold weather water retrieving required some extra effort but it's the same way with all small retrievers.

However, going with a CKC registered purebred is still a safe bet because many breeds are being screened for breed-specific aliments before they're allowed to get down to doggy business.
 
Andrzej said:
Your statement is full of errors and ignorance...German Short Haired Pointer is not Drahthaar. Drahthaar means Wire Haired in German language.

The German Wirehaired Pointer registered in North America is not bred to the same standards as European standards for last 115 years or so.

In GWP there is no breed standards that would disqualify them from breeding. Deutsch Drahthaar dogs are selected for special traits and only dogs that don't have faults and pass field trials are allowed to reproduce and have registered puppies.



They are super family dogs, very trainable, guard dogs if need to be, very good water dogs, good upland but due to the fact that they work with nose to the ground (low wind) not as good as more specialized breeds of pointers but than DD are excellent trackers if trained.

There is field test in European countries that they put them on trail of wounded large game and they need to find it come back to the hunter and lead him\her to were the game is. Not every DD is capable of this.

I don't think that all GWP are poor quality but I think that there is a better chance to get better dog bred to higher standards choosing DD.


Andrew


Thank You. Twenty years of hunting with you folks has taught me that it was just a matter of time before someone would chime in to make a short story long again, and confirm what I said. So thanks again for confirming my statement.;)
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The question to ask is do you want a retriever that hunts, or a hunting dog that retrieves? I'll take the hunting dog any day.

I'd have to say Pudelpointer (with DDs and DKs in second and third place depending on your hunting focus) for a long list of reasons, the first being that since the AKC doesn't recognize the PP, and the CKC barely does, there are no breeders of "show" dogs. The breed has been solely in the hands of serious hunters since it was developed in the 1880s. Most (none that I'm aware of) breeders will not sell to non hunters. They retrieve every bit as well as the dedicated retrievers, yet are as able as any English Pointer or Setter on birds. Many will also point or flush bunnies (mine does), and blood tracking is part of their bag of tricks as well.
 
mrgoat said:
Andrzej said:
Your statement is full of errors and ignorance...German Short Haired Pointer is not Drahthaar. Drahthaar means Wire Haired in German language.

The German Wirehaired Pointer registered in North America is not bred to the same standards as European standards for last 115 years or so.

In GWP there is no breed standards that would disqualify them from breeding. Deutsch Drahthaar dogs are selected for special traits and only dogs that don't have faults and pass field trials are allowed to reproduce and have registered puppies.



They are super family dogs, very trainable, guard dogs if need to be, very good water dogs, good upland but due to the fact that they work with nose to the ground (low wind) not as good as more specialized breeds of pointers but than DD are excellent trackers if trained.

There is field test in European countries that they put them on trail of wounded large game and they need to find it come back to the hunter and lead him\her to were the game is. Not every DD is capable of this.

I don't think that all GWP are poor quality but I think that there is a better chance to get better dog bred to higher standards choosing DD.


Andrew
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Thank You. Twenty years of hunting with you folks has taught me that it was just a matter of time before someone would chime in to make a short story long again, and confirm what I said. So thanks again for confirming my statement.;)
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One thing I've learned is that regardless of subject matter, there will always be some blowhard who claims to know it better than anyone else. They are usually the loudest people in the room, too - very easy to spot.
 
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