Best cartridge in the cold?

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Hi,

I just read on another forum a thread regarding 308 vs. 30 06. One poster stated that the 30 06 is better than the 308 in lower temperatures. He mentioned lower than 38 degrees fahrenheit as being the temp where the 30 06 would be better.

I am curious as to what would be the best cartridge for use in cold weather as I hunt in extreme cold conditions and have several times had bullets that did not fire due to the cold. Both 270 win and 308 win.

So what would be the best cartridge for extreme cold weather hunting?
 
Its not really the cartridge itself that you need to investigate, you need to reload and look at the different powder, primers, and loading options available to you and see which primer/powder combination works best in cold weather
 
A Mauser action with little or no oil. And a cartridge that works well with varget powder. 308. 30-06. 9.3x62.
 
Sounds a little more like a mechanical problem with the rifle than the cartridge. Lubricant gumming up on the firing pin and spring maybe. Like SneakyG said, run your rifle dry in extreme cold.
 
So there is no real truth in the guys claim of the 3006 over the 308 in the cold.

I am planning to get a new rifle and debating if I should go for the long action or short action. And I will most likely go for a mauser action.

I have a CZ in 223 that I use on my goose hunting these days and that I used this winter on ptarmigan and seals and have not had any issues.

(Btw. the 270 was a remington 700 and the 308 a Howa 1500)
 
Greetings, Norwegian:

I've hunted a great deal in Nunavut and the upper Arctic. I agree that the problem of a misfire is most likely congealed lubricant on the firing pin. A simple fix is to rinse out your bolt with Naphtha gas ( readily available), and run the bolt dry.

An animal will never be able to tell you if a 308 or a 3006 hit him; shot placement is critical and bullet performance is next. I've harvested a number of caribou with the simple .223, and a number of muskox with 308 and other calibres. For polar bear and walrus, go 338; penetration is needed on these, although other calibres will work fine also.

Good hunting; you live in an exciting part of Canada.
 
Hi,

I just read on another forum a thread regarding 308 vs. 30 06. One poster stated that the 30 06 is better than the 308 in lower temperatures. He mentioned lower than 38 degrees fahrenheit as being the temp where the 30 06 would be better.

I am curious as to what would be the best cartridge for use in cold weather as I hunt in extreme cold conditions and have several times had bullets that did not fire due to the cold. Both 270 win and 308 win.

So what would be the best cartridge for extreme cold weather hunting?

You are asking the wrong people.
I'm sure your friends know more about cold weater shooting than all combined on the CGN.
Ask your fellow shooters what works well for them in the extreme arctic conditions you encounter.
 
Dead is Dead to me.

I have taken elk and moose deer wolves with 300WM, 270WSM and 243 at -30 to -35 deg. C.

Temperature sensitive powders may reduce effectiveness. I use RL 22 for my 300WM and Retumbo for my 270WSM.
 
.303 British in a Lee. The Canadian Rangers use them up there, and there are some board members here that belong , maybe they will chime in with greater knowledge. I doubt the cartridge theory though.
 
.308 with Varget? Warm primer like Hirtenberg (theirs are apparently quite a bit hotter than most without being labelled as mag primers).
 
The .308 and 30-06 are nearly identical. Can't see how one would work better or worse in cold weather. The small relative velocity difference between them would remain the same, and both would likely lose about the same amount of velocity in extreme cold.

think of it this way - If purchased from the same manufacturer, I am sure that they would have the same primer, and might have the exact same bullet as well. Powder is likely a different formulation, not just a little more in the 30-06 but also a slightly slower burning rate than the powder used in the .308. That's the only difference!

So buy the rifle you like, and don't worry whether it is a .308 or a 30-06 based on cold weather performance.
 
Cartridge has nothing to do with it there has been extensive testing in this area and it has shown that ball powders performer poorer in cold weather /velocity loss, stick powders seem to be more consistent in cold weather.
 
There are considerations to be acknowledged when shooting in the cold. but they only indirectly effect the advantage one cartridge has over another. The first consideration is priming and powder choice. The colder it gets, the more difficult it is to light the powder. The larger the case capacity and the heavier the bullet, the slower the appropriate powders tends to be, and as a rule the slower the powder the more difficult it is to ignite. In the cold, powders as a rule produce lower volumes of gas, and this reduces both pressure and velocity. It is not uncommon to load a bit hotter in the winter than you can in the summer, although I don't bother because I tend to load lots of ammo at a single sitting, so I'm never sure what time of year it might be used. In theory .223 class cartridges give up less than .308 class cartridges, which in turn give up less than Ultramag class cartridges. Despite that the performance of larger cased cartridges still outperform the smaller ones, they just give up more fps in the cold than their smaller counterparts. A word about temperature stable powders; these are designed not to produce dangerous pressures when fired at very high ambient temperatures. Temperature stability of these powders does not necessarily apply to very cold temperatures, as the purpose is to limit gas production. Hodgdon Hybrid 100V is a North American produced powder (St. Marks Powder a division of General Dynamics) is the only one that I know of that tests for low temperature stability. The extreme line of powders are Australian produced products. A total failure to fire in the cold is most likely related to the lack of maintenance or improper lubrication for the temperature the rifle is used at.

The second consideration is air density and the effect of that density on trajectory. Cold air tends to be drier than warm air because cold air cannot support as much moisture warm air. Dry air is denser than moist air, and cold air is denser than warm air. Thus at cold temperature, expect your trajectory to be steeper than in the summer just as a result of higher drag induced by denser air. A cross wind has greater effect in the cold than on a warm day, first because of the bullet's greater time of flight, so the more time wind has to work its mischief and secondly because the density of the air mass moving laterally to the bullet's flight path is higher.

The third consideration is the effect that cold has on marksmanship and rifle handling. It is not possible to have the same length of pull, eye relief and cheek weld in the cold as you have at warm temperatures unless your rifle has a fully adjustable stock. If your hands are cold, just feeling the trigger might be difficult. The technique I use it to press the side of the trigger until I can feel it, then allow my finger to slide forward until the trigger breaks. Just getting into a viable shooting position will take longer, and if you are using supported field positions, they will not be as solid due to the air pockets in the insulation of your cold weather gear.
 
The only difference i noted in temps -55 -75 with the wind chill is the difference from the rounds in my 88 [308] and the ones in my pocket my buddys 70 [30 06] was the same.
 
Any commercial ammo should perform no matter the temperature. I have used many calibers from many manufacturers on ridiculously cold November/December days in Saskatchewan and they have always gone bang.
 
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