Best combat handgun...

owlowl said:
I can't wait to see another "4 letter league" branch out blaming IDPA for not "tactical" enough, the same way IDPA was born out of disdain IPSC "pure sport" culture.

Arguing about time advantages of slide release vs hand over the slide is a perfect example of why timer is truly the curse of shooting sports.
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Yup. Let's add 9mm vs .40/.45 to the discussion while we're at it.

Lately I've been enjoying my S&W M66 2-1/2" snubby in IDPA. I like the challenge and a revolver it is what I'd carry if I could. I'm amused when semi-auto shooters observe my reload technique where I keep the gun in my strong hand. Even after they see me do it flawlessly (amazing what practice using dummies can achieve), they tell me I'm doing it 'wrong' because Miculek transfers the gun to his weak hand.

All due respect to Miculek, but he likely does it through long years of practice and because when he started, that was THE way to do it. Right up to the end of revolver use in police forces, the PPC dump was still the norm, muzzles all over the map.

The only time I will transfer is when the COF requires a mandatory reload (yes, it is allowed as an exercise) or when it is to my advantage to do so. Then I dump into my hand to retain unfired rounds. That is the one aspect of IDPA that I have issues with. I do like the mandatory use of cover. Standing in front of multiple 'armed' targets doesn't sound like a good idea.

The 'stress' factor is always there when running against the clock, but it is self-induced. It takes focus and concentration to get into the 'zone' necessary to achieve peak performance in ANY sport. I can count on one hand the number of times I've achieved that. Guys like Miculek and others do it routinely, a lifelong search for perfection.

In our IDPA section, we have gotten into the pattern of putting me through a COF first to work out the bugs. I'm the most experienced shooter and often the only revolver shooter. If there is a flaw, it becomes apparent ASAP! I'm in the habit of - "If I can see it, I shoot it" even if that was not the intent of the stage. Then an adjustment is made in the layout.

We shot a stage with a 'no shoot' bobber screening two shoot targets from a seated position at a table. You fully saw one target, the set 'no-shoot' screening the other. Guess which one I elected to shoot first? The one I could fully see, of course! Wrong!

Amazing how your brain misfires at times.

Two guys showed up with 9mm carbines - one AR and one Kel-Tec. They did quite well with them. Next time I bring out my AR15 with .22 conversion installed. Good indoor practice.
 
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crazyjackrabbit said:
Out of what I have currently, my ria 1911 gi 9mm. I have pleanty of mags and ammo for it. Sar B6c close second due to smaller size and light weight. Both are more accurate than I:)

If I had to pick something off the shelf, Id likely go for a glock 22. Reliable, 40cal is used by local police and some armour truck companies, and easy to maintain.
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Having just left an armoured car job last year, I'd scratch them off your list for scavenging. Fortified location, with little to no stored ammo on site.
As for the OP, Sig 226 TacOps.
 
I don't have the patience to read all this and I'm not going into combat anytime soon....but it's a slow snow day, and I have a P226 "Combat" - so I'll just pick that one :p

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After reading through the entire thread, and the information contained within, I have come to the conclusion, in my world, there is only one possible conclusion

Model 28 Highway Patrolman

Yup, 6 rounds of 357 in a 3 and a half pound revolver.

Because if me, a chain-smoking, overweight mechanic from a hick-town on the bald-arse prarie has to go to war, I'm going to die.

But, damn it all, I'm going to die with Style, while making a big noise and smiling from ear to ear!
 
VinceDrake said:
After reading through the entire thread, and the information contained within, I have come to the conclusion, in my world, there is only one possible conclusion

Model 28 Highway Patrolman

Yup, 6 rounds of 357 in a 3 and a half pound revolver.

Because if me, a chain-smoking, overweight mechanic from a hick-town on the bald-arse prarie has to go to war, I'm going to die.

But, damn it all, I'm going to die with Style, while making a big noise and smiling from ear to ear!
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This is possibly the most realistic and best answer I've seen.

Meet you at the Red Rooster, we'll go down together chewing Hot Rods, drinking crappy coffee, and making hella noise.
 
VinceDrake said:
After reading through the entire thread, and the information contained within, I have come to the conclusion, in my world, there is only one possible conclusion

Model 28 Highway Patrolman

Yup, 6 rounds of 357 in a 3 and a half pound revolver.

Because if me, a chain-smoking, overweight mechanic from a hick-town on the bald-arse prarie has to go to war, I'm going to die.

But, damn it all, I'm going to die with Style, while making a big noise and smiling from ear to ear!
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LOL! You got that right! Loaded with 6 rounds of 125gr JHP +P magnums, this model 28 sure would make a lot of noise!

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VinceDrake said:
After reading through the entire thread, and the information contained within, I have come to the conclusion, in my world, there is only one possible conclusion

Model 28 Highway Patrolman

Yup, 6 rounds of 357 in a 3 and a half pound revolver.

Because if me, a chain-smoking, overweight mechanic from a hick-town on the bald-arse prarie has to go to war, I'm going to die.

But, damn it all, I'm going to die with Style, while making a big noise and smiling from ear to ear!
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You could be right here, in that case i change my answer for my TOKLAT 454 Casull, doing it with a lot of noise and fire... Video up... JP.

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Best combat handgun?

The one you can use effectively and in your hand when you need it. A .32 ACP trumps a tire iron every time.

The rest is internet "armchair bad a$$ operator'' bafflegab. The elite forces around the world use a variety of handgun designs, the difference between them and 'wanna-bees' (the rest of us) being training and motivation.

Jeff Cooper said that his best and most motivated students were those who had witnessed or survived a personal attack.
 
What is a combat handgun in Canada anyway? If it's for IPSC, you may as well just get a full blown competition gun in whatever caliber works for you
 
Sharps '63 said:
I watched a video where a shooter (Vickers?) was timed hitting the slide stop or pulling the slide to put the gun in battery from lock back after a reload. The latter technique was faster. I know, just one example and in the end, it's a matter of training. If it works for you .....
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I was referring to the takedown tabs on the glock, not the slide release. My original post was about how I preferred the ease of takedown of the P series sigs to the glock because I have a tough time with the takedown tabs on the glock.
 
I remember that vid JP, I hear my voice in the background asking you how you like the recoil on this lightweight 454! Shot my .460 5" a couple weeks ago, Hornady 300gr Casull felt like pussycats compared to the mighty .460 S&W I had on hand that day, and that fireball... What a joy to shoot.
 
Jory - Gotcha!

One of my IDPA pals just acquired a poly frame Sig Sauer. He shoots it much better than the Glock he replaced with it. Some guns work for you, others don't.

Like I said earlier, after years of shooting 1911s, my wife was introduced to the CZ Shadow and found HER gun! She had already gone through a pair of SR9s, a gun which I liked very much but she did not. If I was to ever pack a 9mm, that would be it - light, all the bells gongs and whistles in a small package.

However, if I was to consider what 9mm I would chose over my 1911s, it would be the Shadow for all the reasons mentioned.

After years of shooting a S&W 4" M66, I acquired a M66 2-1/2" snubby and discovered MY gun, when it comes to revolvers. Quick out of the holster, very pointable, suits my smallish hands perfectly. At 25 yds, I can keep all my rds in the IPSC 'A' or IDPA 'down zero' zones. Haven't shot it past that range.

This would be my first choice as a CCW - if we had such a thing.
 
Harry Callahan said:
I remember that vid JP, I hear my voice in the background asking you how you like the recoil on this lightweight 454! Shot my .460 5" a couple weeks ago, Hornady 300gr Casull felt like pussycats compared to the mighty .460 S&W I had on hand that day, and that fireball... What a joy to shoot.
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Yep, that was a great summer range day, looking for more like that with you sir HC... JP.
 
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