Best first rimfire Ruger 10/22 vs American

Can-down said:
Eugene, have you tried many, or any of the American rimfire bolt action line?
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Yes sir, I've had:
-Ruger American Ranch
-Ruger American Long Range Target
-Ruger Precision Rimfire
All in 22lr. None was capable of shooting reasonable groups. The ones I had were 2 MOA rifles at best

As you can see, I gave the ruger a chance :)
 
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EugeneM said:
Yes sir, I've had:
-Ruger American Rimfire
-Ruger American Long Range Target
-Ruger Precision Rimfire
All in 22lr. None was capable of shooting reasonable groups. The ones I had were 2 MOA rifles at best

As you can see, I gave the ruger a chance :)
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Thanks for expanding Eugene! I have plenty of nice .22lr's but for some reason the Stainless target Ruger American Rimfire keeps catching my eye..... :) I also wonder from time to time if I should have snagged one of the Ranch like models when they were on sale a few years back for around $450 and have a "trainer" for the .223 ranch, it's post's like yours that give me some sobering thought!
 
There is nothing wrong with a 10/22 by any means. I personally don’t find them tk be great first rifles as the bolt hold open is silly and really should be modified asap. The rifles them selfs are reliable and many are worthy of hand me down status. It’s a rifle that lends itself very well tk modification and that in its self is a lot of fun in its own right. But again that also is not necessarily a good thing for a beginner.

I myself purchased a 10/22 LVT this past winter just to setup a semi for the same competitions I use my CZ457 for. It was really fun to piece together and of the rifles my wife has tried shooting this one’s her favorite. Accuracy is more than acceptable to me for what it is. My 10/22 is mostly factory with just some trigger mods and a different receiver (for easier cleaning and use of legal for now larger capacity mags). I also put a compensator on it purely cause it looks cool. Groups are in and around the 1.5”-2.5” at 100 yards shooting CCI Standard.

Mine slots very nicely in size and weight right between my 457 Canadian and 457 Thumbhole laminate. I planning to use this rifle this year to try a maple seed event if I can get signed up. My other hope is to get the wife out to an ORPS match running this rifle.

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just a note here - my Savage B-22-FV shoots almost as good as my CZ-VMTR if I use 'better' ammo like SK-RM. They're 'thin on the ground' but some are online at around $500-ish, Way less than the CZ or Tikka s.
 
1oldfart said:
I'm going to add my 22 cents worth.
With the way things are going with the liberal gun bans, you should concider this.
Do you think you will ever want a semi auto rim fire rifle? If so maybe you should start with a Ruger 10/22. This will get your foot in the door to the semis, Now I can't garantee that the government wont ban these firearms rendering your 10/22 a safe queen which you may have to surrender to the government later down the road. But at least you would have been able to experience the semi world. The Ruger 10/22 is a great gun for plinking as it is light and easy to carry if you choose to go hunting small animals. It also makes for a great choice if you wish to get into the rimfire steel change game. (red dot if you want to play in the optics division) The Ruger 10/22 is also the Chevy 350 of the rimfire world with a great variety of aftermarket accessories should you wish to start customizing your firearm. The downside of the Ruger 10/22 or any semi for that matter is that you have to be very mindful of the fact that it is instantly ready for the next shot. Muzzle control and trigger finger control are paramount. But that being said must be diligent with muzzle and trigger finger control with all firearms, it's just that semis are less forgiving if you should make a mistake.
With that all being said you have to seriously ask yourself, are you willing to take a chance on a semi auto rimfire? If so the Ruger 10/22 would definately fit the bill.
If you are looking at precision rimfire the Bolt choices mentioned by other are great. I personally hav a CZ457 MTR with a fluted match barrel mounted in an MTD chassis with a Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25 x 56 scope . I've about 3K into this rig and it is great for precision shooting. This is one heavy rig and it would be totally useless in a rimfire steel challenge. Too heavy and too slow. Don't get me wrong. I love this gun, for what it is built for.
Someone mentioned a lever rimfire. I don't perrsonally own one (yet) but if I were to get one I would seriously look at the Browning BLR22. They carry a hefty price tag but I realy like the short thow lever action and athey are a very pretty looking gun in you go into their upper end variants

I suggest thaat you go out to the range and talk to some people and ask them what their thoughts are, I'm willing to bet that you will get a lot of different opinions and if you are luck some of these people will offer up their firearms for you to try. The world is full of important choices.

Good luck with your decision
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Thank you so much for this! You've echoed a lot of the thoughts I have been having and I completely agree with all of them. I really appreciate the time you'vce taken to leave such a thoughtful reply! Thank you!!
 
Thank you everyone! This thread is my first experience on this forum and its fantastic! I am so grateful to you all for all your insight and thoughts and I am very happy to say that I have just completed a deal with another member of this same community for a beautiful CZ 457 Premium. They were also really helpful and fantastic to deal with. So now, as I look forward to it's arrival, I will be scope shopping and I think once both scope and rifle arrive I will take it to my local gun store to figure out exactly which rings will work best for my setup before getting it to my local range (a good 1.5hrs drive away!). I look forward to reporting back with some pics once it arrives. Feel a bit odd turning 46 and gifting something to myself thank makes me feel like a kid again! Thank you all for helping ti make this such an awesome experience so far!!
 
Alot of hate for the 10/22 it seems. On that note, some of the 10/22 pattern rifles like my Magnum Research MLR-1722 shoots the lights out but will run you into the 4 digit range just for the most basic version.
 
I don't reflexively hate the 10/22. I have a bergara bxr which solves a lot of the shortcoming of the 10/22 such as built in pic rail with 20 or 30 moa, great trigger and decent accuracy. That being said i have gotten to the point where I chase tiny groups and even the bergara 10/22 version leaves me wanting. When I am going hunting for grouse though it will be coming with me as it is light and have built in qd sling cups
 
Buck1950 said:
thefaculty - Here's a pic of my Sav B-22 FV with the 8-34x56 FFP Athlon Argos, showing the size and config of the scope. The parallax dials down to 15-yds. To get the objective off the FV barrel (about 1/8") I used some amazon.ca 'LOW' rings - https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07KHKMKTW?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

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That’s awesome. The CZ457 Premium I hav purchased has iron sights which I want to keep mounted so I must figure out the best scope. I like that you mentioned the Athlon. I am considering this one imwhich seems to be fantastic value and I’m finding a lot of good reviews:

https://athlonoptics.com/product/neos-4-12x40-bdc-22-sfp/

I’d be grateful for any thoughts on this. I figured I’d take it to a local gun store to get it mounted rather than guess at the best rings for it and risk getting it wrong.
 
thefaculty said:
That’s awesome. The CZ457 Premium I hav purchased has iron sights which I want to keep mounted so I must figure out the best scope. I like that you mentioned the Athlon. I am considering this one imwhich seems to be fantastic value and I’m finding a lot of good reviews:

https://athlonoptics.com/product/neos-4-12x40-bdc-22-sfp/

I’d be grateful for any thoughts on this. I figured I’d take it to a local gun store to get it mounted rather than guess at the best rings for it and risk getting it wrong.
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It is a decent scope for the buck. As others mentioned your intended use comes into what scope will be best.

For a walkabout hunting rifle I like to keep it 1 to 4 or max 2 to 7 for that purpose. For tiny target group I use up to 25x. Benchrest 100m shooters can sometimes use higher magnification.
 
thefaculty - Sherlock has given good advice there. I'm sure your CZ457 would be capable of good groups out to 100 or better, so you may consider a more powerful scope. The Athlon Talos is just a bit more powerful and still close to your choice in price, and if you can afford More I'd go for even better. https://wolverinesupplies.com/shop/...talos-4-16x40-capped-side-focus-1-sfp-mil-dot
As sherlock and others said, it depends on your use. If you intend hunting, you might want to stay with a 'low end of 4-6X, but if you're going to be more 'target focused' I'd go for the More powerful. I have the 8-34 and wish I had bought the 10-40 - as this one https://wolverinesupplies.com/shop/...argos-btr-gen3-10-40x56-ablr4-sfp-moa-reticle maybe next time ?
 
Buck1950 said:
thefaculty - Sherlock has given good advice there. I'm sure your CZ457 would be capable of good groups out to 100 or better, so you may consider a more powerful scope. The Athlon Talos is just a bit more powerful and still close to your choice in price, and if you can afford More I'd go for even better. https://wolverinesupplies.com/shop/...talos-4-16x40-capped-side-focus-1-sfp-mil-dot
As sherlock and others said, it depends on your use. If you intend hunting, you might want to stay with a 'low end of 4-6X, but if you're going to be more 'target focused' I'd go for the More powerful. I have the 8-34 and wish I had bought the 10-40 - as this one https://wolverinesupplies.com/shop/...argos-btr-gen3-10-40x56-ablr4-sfp-moa-reticle maybe next time ?
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Thank you! I saw this right before I was about to order the scope I posted. Phew! So I do have some questions. The scope I posted was recommended because it is specifically for rimfire rifles. Knowing nothing about all this and also knowing that I will be using the rifle for target shooting not hunting would the 4-16x40 scope you've recommended be better? I understand there are issues with parallax at shorter distances which will be me for a while I am guessing but I do see the scope you reco'd has parallax adjustment at 10yards: https://athlonoptics.com/product/rifle-scopes-talos-4-16x40-mildot-sfp-2/ i do you think this would be better suited for me?
 
thefaculty said:
Thank you! I saw this right before I was about to order the scope I posted. Phew! So I do have some questions. The scope I posted was recommended because it is specifically for rimfire rifles. Knowing nothing about all this and also knowing that I will be using the rifle for target shooting not hunting would the 4-16x40 scope you've recommended be better? I understand there are issues with parallax at shorter distances which will be me for a while I am guessing but I do see the scope you reco'd has parallax adjustment at 10yards: https://athlonoptics.com/product/rifle-scopes-talos-4-16x40-mildot-sfp-2/ i do you think this would be better suited for me?
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4 to 16 is a good magnification for target shooting. If you have a scope with "tactical" or exposed turrets it makes adjustment easier to do. Downside is if being a dual use scope there is a chance you could bump the turrets while hiking or walking.

Depending on budget and what brand you like look for one like the athlon bar or heras style turrets.

Personally I like the vortex brand and I have a diamondback tactical 4 to 16 as my budget gun scope. For higher end I have a venom 5 to 25. Both scopes are front focal plane or FFP. Front focal plane scopes make the reticle appear bigger or smaller as you zoom in or out. Second focal plane scopes leave the reticle the same regardless of how you zoom. There are other differences such as which style of adjustment you would be familiar with such as MOA or Milradians

Tons more of information hopefully some helps
 
thefaculty said:
Thank you! I saw this right before I was about to order the scope I posted. Phew! So I do have some questions. The scope I posted was recommended because it is specifically for rimfire rifles. Knowing nothing about all this and also knowing that I will be using the rifle for target shooting not hunting would the 4-16x40 scope you've recommended be better? I understand there are issues with parallax at shorter distances which will be me for a while I am guessing but I do see the scope you reco'd has parallax adjustment at 10yards: https://athlonoptics.com/product/rifle-scopes-talos-4-16x40-mildot-sfp-2/ i do you think this would be better suited for me?
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The 10 yard listed for parallax is the minimum distance that you will be able to focus it at..... from 10 yards to Infinitiy will be the full range availlable with the Adjustable Parallax.
 
thefaculty - I believe that for a 'first-time shooter' the 4-16 is a better choice just for the increased mag. Sherlock again is right about the SFP reticle staying the same at all mags and that is the only disadvantage I saw, only because the larger reticle will 'block' some of your target at longer distances. I feel that once you get more experience this may be an issue and you can upgrade to a better scope OR move it to a 'Hunting rifle' at a later date. A 'rimfire scope' is usually a compromise that is not a benefit IMO since altho a good basic scope, it's not that good for a target scope.
 
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