best group with bulk ammo challenge

rally guy

rally guy

CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Rating - 100%
35   0   0
I am looking for your best group with a semi auto rifle at at least 100 yard with bulk ammo. No nosler, game king, accu tip or home reload. Only surplus or basic off the shelf type of ammo, the kind you plink with and have in large quantity.

Here is my entry,

2010 gen 1 kel-tec RFB with burris 3-9x40
Shooting norinco 7.62x51 surpluss
9fe63a3e-3c25-4930-9d44-01717abb4ea2.jpg
 
Every rifle is different.
One rifle may like one type of bulk ammo and another identical rifle may not.

That being said I don't shoot bulk ammo because it is just that.
I load match quality ammo for each rifle and they cost me about $0.70 each.

That being said last year I was at our local range.
The guy next to me was shooting a nice $3,500 rifle and he was using 7.62x51 Norinco bulk ammo.
The target looked like a shotgun was being used.
I gave him 5 of my handloads to try and he got under 1 MOA on his first attempt.
He now reloads.

I fail to see the point of shooting if you aren't going to hit what you intended to.
 
Last edited:
Every rifle is different.
One rifle may like one type of bulk ammo and another identical rifle may not.
Click to expand...

And your point is? I know that as I pointed out in other tread describing the difference in 2 identical mini 14 one of mine and the other my dad's.

The point of this tread is showcasing what performance one is achieving with is rifle with bulk ammo. Cause yeah in a ideal world I would have multiple crates of specific reloaded ammo for each and every gun I own, but to me this is the real world and to most of us tailer made ammo is out of reach.

I thought it would be nice to see some available to everyone performance. Its cool to se a ar 10 shooting .65 moa with a voodoo reaload recipe but to me its more important of that gun shoot with ammo I can buy that won't be 2$ a pop.
 
From a recent Type 97 review I did, here is 5 shots of American Eagle in my Type 97 with iron sights bench rested. Actual group size is unknown but the size of the small circles are 3" in diameter so the group is just under 3".

 
This is a fun little challenge with the caviat that the results probably say nothing about the rifle or the shooter. If you plink enough with cheap bulk ammo, your best group will likely be part of the same random shot dispersion as your worst group.

Don't get me wrong, bulk ammo is fun, but even an awesome shot with bad ammo can look rather average.
 
rally guy said:
And your point is? I know that as I pointed out in other tread describing the difference in 2 identical mini 14 one of mine and the other my dad's.

The point of this tread is showcasing what performance one is achieving with is rifle with bulk ammo. Cause yeah in a ideal world I would have multiple crates of specific reloaded ammo for each and every gun I own, but to me this is the real world and to most of us tailer made ammo is out of reach.

I thought it would be nice to see some available to everyone performance. Its cool to se a ar 10 shooting .65 moa with a voodoo reaload recipe but to me its more important of that gun shoot with ammo I can buy that won't be 2$ a pop.
Click to expand...

My point is that no 2 rifles will shoot the same ammo the same so what are you really comparing?
It says nothing about the accuracy of the rifle unless you have a baseline with quality or handloaded ammo which shows the potential of the rifle assuming the shooter is able to put good groups on paper.

Most off the shelf .308 (7.62x51) ammo costs around $1.00 a round going up to $2.00 a round for Federal Gold Medal Match.
For $200.00 you can buy a Lee Challenger reloading kit and a set of dies.
Yes you can spend boatloads of money on reloading if you want to but it is not necessary.
For another $75.00 you can buy 100 Matchking bullets, 100 Match grade primers and a pound of IMR 4064 and you can spoof the MK316 Mod 0 military load.
I know it's not what you wanted to hear but that is the most cost effective option to better accuracy.

You specifically mentioned 7.62x51 which is why you got this response from me.
If you were discussing .223 my answer would be totally different since there are plenty of commercial bulk .223 options out there.
The fact still remains that no 2 rifles will shoot the same ammo the same.
 
Last edited:
I did not say limited to 7.62x51, its for any semi auto caliber. Its about how does your gun perform with regular ammo. Think of it like a drag race shure its faster on drag slick tires and some regular tires are better and worst then others, shure the only way to know the quickest your car will run will be on race slicks but some people like to know how quick there cars are with the tires they drove there car there with and they drive around every day.

If you find it silly to take the time to go to the shooting range and bother shooting regular bulk ammo that give good result maiby you should leave this tread to us peasants ;-)
 
Btw I know reloading can be done at competitive price, I am not saying it too expansive, its just something not everyone is interested in jumping in. Its not just the money, its the reloading time and all the trial and error.

The point of this tread is to show joe regular guy can pick up a firearm, order or pick up ammo and get good result.
 
I think the point you are missing is that while it may be fun for some to come and post photos a near moa (or sub moa) groups with a run-of the-mill rifle and craptastic surplus ammo, most who shoot understand:
A) it is a complete random experience that does not represent the normal or average result of such a combo, and/or
B) the poster is completely full of sh!t (be it distance shot, rifle used, how used, ammo used, the fact they cherry picked one of 50 groups shot that day, or any combination thereof).

Enjoy!
 
rally guy said:
I did not say limited to 7.62x51, its for any semi auto caliber. Its about how does your gun perform with regular ammo. Think of it like a drag race shure its faster on drag slick tires and some regular tires are better and worst then others, shure the only way to know the quickest your car will run will be on race slicks but some people like to know how quick there cars are with the tires they drove there car there with and they drive around every day.

If you find it silly to take the time to go to the shooting range and bother shooting regular bulk ammo that give good result maiby you should leave this tread to us peasants ;-)
Click to expand...
If you have been following the 19 page Norinco ammo thread you would have noticed that I have nothing negative to say about their 5.56x45 bulk ammo. I've even shot it out of a $3,000+ rifle to prove the point.
As you can see it isn't as precise as my bulk handloads but still acceptable.
Since it's open to all calibers I'll play using my Noveske Afghan 14.5" mid weight stainless barrel.
Using 77hr Nosler accubond the rifle shoots 0.5moa off the bench with front and rear bags.
55gr Norinco shot offhand using EOTech at 50m.


55gr Hornady FMJ handloads shot offhand using EOTech at 50m.


Since you mentioned drag racing, here are my time slips on slicks.
This is a manual trans car.
 
Last edited:
rally guy said:
Btw I know reloading can be done at competitive price, I am not saying it too expansive, its just something not everyone is interested in jumping in. Its not just the money, its the reloading time and all the trial and error.

The point of this tread is to show joe regular guy can pick up a firearm, order or pick up ammo and get good result.
Click to expand...
reloading is only competetive in price if the equipment is free or you shoot enough for the equipment to pay for itself in short order.

I am not even factoring in time, what is time worth to people today? for example, If I can bill out $120hr for my time at work how much is reloading actually costing me when I have to spend time doing it and finding/sourcing components?
 
Last edited:
beltfed said:
I think the point you are missing is that while it may be fun for some to come and post photos a near moa (or sub moa) groups with a run-of the-mill rifle and craptastic surplus ammo, most who shoot understand:
A) it is a complete random experience that does not represent the normal or average result of such a combo, and/or
B) the poster is completely full of sh!t (be it distance shot, rifle used, how used, ammo used, the fact they cherry picked one of 50 groups shot that day, or any combination thereof).

Enjoy!
Click to expand...

Here is a pic from 2010 wen I got the gun, this was shot with a 3x scope at 100 yard at the same shooting range. The ammo is 308 Winchester ballistic silver tip 168 gr.

2011-10-16_15-40-21_314.jpg


The gun as since broken in and I have tune the gaz system since the brake in and with softer recoil I am getting better groups.

I am suppose to go back to the range this weekend and I am going to print more of these "fluke" grouping you are referring to.

If its not good enough for you I extend you an invitation to the range il bring my rfb and plenty of ammo for you to shoot. Surely a experience shooter like you should be able to get better group then me a meer novice.
 
Brian46 said:
reloading is only competetive in price if the equipment is free or you shoot enough for the equipment to pay for itself in short order.

I am not even factoring in time, what is time worth to people today? for example, If I can bill out $120hr for my time at work how much is reloading actually costing me when I have to spend time doing it and finding/sourcing components?
Click to expand...

Well thats my point , btw have you tryd this ammo in your rfb?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom