Best long range 500 - 600 yard coyote - deer cartridge ???
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Sask_Hunter
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Bullets kinda suck in .257 and .277. If your current 6x284 feeds well then a simple barrel swap to a 1-8" would get you where you want to be. 6.5x284 would also be a good option if you wanted to shoot heavier bullets then what the 6mms offer.
If your 6x284 doesn't feed well then just use the 06 case and go 6-06 or 6.5-06
If your 6x284 doesn't feed well then just use the 06 case and go 6-06 or 6.5-06
If that 6x284 is accurate with heavy bullets you can't do a lot better than what you already have.
If anyone tries to tell you the 6mm with good bullets won't cleanly take deer, well????? When the .243 Winchester first came out, good bullets were hard to find. Winchester sent a couple of fellows into the North West Territories to hunt Polar Bears with rifles chambered in that cartridge and GUNs magazine did a write up on the trip. They took two very large bears at close to 400m and didn't recover the bullets as they had passed all the way through. Neither of the bears needed more than on shot. They also took several Caribou and allowed their Inui guides to use the rifles and take several more. They did a follow up article on the abilities of the 6mm bullets on a Moose hunt. The moose couldn't tell the difference.
The best information you can get is to learn how to shoot the intimately under all conditions, including cross winds, extreme cold, rain, hot weather and in every shooting position you may use.
The two rifles you have are extremely capable for what they were designed for. If the re chambering to 6x284 didn't go well, that is another story.
The next question, are you recoil shy???? Both of those rifles will give more recoil than some shooters can handle.
I will give you a good example. ME. The 6x284 would likely be OK but the 308NM would be way beyond my pain tolerance and I would quickly develop a flinch that would cause accuracy to take flight.
Just take into account that thousands of coyotes are shot cleanly every year with everything from 22 long rifle rimfire to 410 shotguns to 20 and 12guage 17 rem, 204 Ruger, 222, 223, 22-250, 6mm-243, 243, various 6.5 cartridges, etc. Your 6x284 is every bit as capable as any of these and more than some.
On the other hand, if you just want a new rifle in a different cartridge, go for it.
pete dobinson
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Could you explain why .257 and .277 bullets suck?
I've given up trying to get the load that I want for my 1-12" twist 6mm-284 right now my only accurate load are 70gr Ballistic Tips far from the performance/weight of bullet I would like.
If it shot 90gr Scirocco 11 bullets or 95 gr Berger Match Grade VLD Hunting I would be more than content with leaving the rifle alone.
I'm leaning to leaving the bolt .473" so magnum brass is out and I do not want to do anything with the 308NM that lessens it.
So you guys are really helping out starting to lean towards staying with the 6mm-284 but with a far faster twist for heavier bullet but can still handle lighter bullets so 1-10" twist or something in the 25-06/25-06AI or a 6.5-284 or 6.5mm-06 etc.
BH thanks for the thoughts but I can handle most levels of recoil have a 300RUM = 200gr Accubonds @ 3200fps & a 21" barreled 375RUM with 260gr Accubonds @ 3020fps or 350gr TSX @ 2450fps that I like to play with.
If it shot 90gr Scirocco 11 bullets or 95 gr Berger Match Grade VLD Hunting I would be more than content with leaving the rifle alone.
I'm leaning to leaving the bolt .473" so magnum brass is out and I do not want to do anything with the 308NM that lessens it.
So you guys are really helping out starting to lean towards staying with the 6mm-284 but with a far faster twist for heavier bullet but can still handle lighter bullets so 1-10" twist or something in the 25-06/25-06AI or a 6.5-284 or 6.5mm-06 etc.
BH thanks for the thoughts but I can handle most levels of recoil have a 300RUM = 200gr Accubonds @ 3200fps & a 21" barreled 375RUM with 260gr Accubonds @ 3020fps or 350gr TSX @ 2450fps that I like to play with.
This is just an opinion, so take that for what it is worth... but if you are talking deer AND 600 yards in the same sentence, then nothing in 6mm is your friend... you are starting with a blank canvass... move up to the 6.5mm or 7mm groups... they are not too much for coyotes at those ranges, and the velocities that the bullets will be travelling when they get there... BUT, they will be far more appropriate (again - IMO) for deer sized game. Good luck with your endeavors.
well, I sure hope that the 240 WBY will have legs enough for me to reach out there. I just bought one at the last gun show and my son's are setting up to reload for it. Got 40 live rounds and shopping around for brass. Geeezz, it's not cheap, I see! lol!
CC.............I will make another pitch for the 234 Douglas, and I'm 100% serious, as this is exactly what this cartridge is designed for. First off, as I mentioned you can use all your 6-284 cases, so that's a big plus off the hop. Secondly this cartridge drives 80-105 gn bullets at more or less the same speed as the 6-284 but with a higher BC and SD. Is it a 600 yd cartridge? I can see no reason why not, it has BCs over .500 and with the 105 having the same SD as a 140 gn 270 bullet, it certainly will penetrate. Another big plus is with Marshal making bullets, it is not subject to component shortages and his bonded bullets have proven devastating on whitetail deer already at under 200 mtrs. I have no reason to believe it would fail in any way at 5-600 mtrs with the annealed copper jacket and bonded lead core. I believe I will be trying 110 gn bullets shortly, as I want to find out what the maximum bullet length I can drive accurately from this bore with it's 1-8 twist and the velocities in the 284 case.
Another big plus is that you can order a Redding FL bushing die from Sinclair Int., zip your cases through and be shooting in less than an hour, no case forming, no BS just put together test loads and shoot. It will fit, feed and use the same bolt face as your 6-284 does now and for all intents and purposes will do everything the 257 Wby does with less powder, less recoil (not a big deal anyway) and you'll have something that very few other guys will have..........the finest dual purpose cartridge ever designed, good from gophers to wolves to antelope to deer and possibly even bigger game..............
Give it some serious thought CC, really...........
CC.....have you tried de-coppering your 308 NM, I thought my 300 Wby was shot out so I yanked the barrel and it looked fine. I did a major clean and de-coppering on it and it came right back like new again with it's normal 3/4" groups.......just a thought............
Another big plus is that you can order a Redding FL bushing die from Sinclair Int., zip your cases through and be shooting in less than an hour, no case forming, no BS just put together test loads and shoot. It will fit, feed and use the same bolt face as your 6-284 does now and for all intents and purposes will do everything the 257 Wby does with less powder, less recoil (not a big deal anyway) and you'll have something that very few other guys will have..........the finest dual purpose cartridge ever designed, good from gophers to wolves to antelope to deer and possibly even bigger game..............
Give it some serious thought CC, really...........
CC.....have you tried de-coppering your 308 NM, I thought my 300 Wby was shot out so I yanked the barrel and it looked fine. I did a major clean and de-coppering on it and it came right back like new again with it's normal 3/4" groups.......just a thought............
I shot my largest antler buck with a .243 WIN at 330 yards and that`s about as far as I would want to shoot deer sized game with a 6 mm! If you are looking for a true duel purpose rifle I would look long and hard at the .257 Weatherby or .264 WIN MAG!I have an Outers Foul Out 11 reverse electrolysis system for decoppering the barrels I have used it in the 308NM barrel I've even used Barnes CR10 and had a gunsmith check the bore/crown he said he saw nothing wrong.
It is worth another try though cheaper than rebarreling I'm also now thinking that I may try loading some 200gr Accubonds.
Where do I find info on the 234 Douglas cartridge?
It is worth another try though cheaper than rebarreling I'm also now thinking that I may try loading some 200gr Accubonds.
Where do I find info on the 234 Douglas cartridge?
