Best micrometer peep for a Win 94?

The foolproof sights from Williams are very similar to the Lyman 48. They call it FP-Winchester 94/36.

I have a fool proof sight on my 1885 and really like the sight picture.

Williams makes good stuff, and ships to Canada without delay or issue.


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I was looking at the Creedmore mid range tang sites for a couple pre 64’s I have. I would have to order out of the states but I was having trouble finding anything in Canada that is in stock. Either way I would have to order and wait so not a big deal breaker ordering from the US. weren’t as expensive as I thought and I don’t really like the newer Lyman tang sites.
 
Ardent said:
Think the Lyman 48 is what I need, any other good, repeatable click classic Win 94 sights? I’m loving the Redfield International / Olympic on one of my 52s, and it’d get me using my grandfather’s old .30-30 to have a similar sight for it.
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Perhaps you are conflating things? In my mind a 30-30 with 20" barrel on a Win 94 is perfectly adequate 150 yard game rifle - was never a precision target rifle - therefore "adjustable" and "micrometer" might not really be applicable to the Win 94 in 30-30. I have one made in 1955 - I installed a Williams Fool Proof on it - seems to work fine for what I would use it for - I doubt that I have ever adjusted those sights after it was sighted in, but I never changed ammo used, either - all was hand loaded Sierra 170 grain FN.

If your GrandPa's 30-30 was a Win 94 rifle - with the 26" barrel, it might shoot differently than a carbine would - more muzzle velocity - but is really about what sort of groups that you can get with it. A Lyman 48 would have been pretty "standard" to use, I think - if not finding one of them, as mentioned, I found the Williams FP to be perfectly adequate, but I never tried others on my rifle - just that one brand.
 
Ardent said:
Think the Lyman 48 is what I need, any other good, repeatable click classic Win 94 sights? I’m loving the Redfield International / Olympic on one of my 52s, and it’d get me using my grandfather’s old .30-30 to have a similar sight for it.
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The old all steel Lyman or Redfields are far more appropriate for an older pre-64 classic 94. The Williams FP are excellent sights but are not so classic as they are aluminum.
 
SuperCub said:
The old all steel Lyman or Redfields are far more appropriate for an older pre-64 classic 94. The Williams FP are excellent sights but are not so classic as they are aluminum.
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I agree I’m sure the Williams works great, but I can’t fasten one to my grandfather’s 94, wouldn’t look right.

Definitely after something with micrometer clicks like the Redfield on my .22, nice to be able to change sight ins for loads, put in a wind or elevation correction. The rifle shoots as well as a bolt gun, and with the new Hornady bullets is no longer just a hundred yard rifle.

That 21 is interesting, but not my style really want to adapt a micrometer sight even if it takes some work on a mill.

Plus I just like shooting good iron sights, it’s a pleasure.
 
Marbles makes a tang sight with repeatable clicks, both windage and elevation. Multiple stems are available for distance/load adjustment. Depending on the vintage of Model 94, no extra holes required. Couple with a Globe type front sight, changeable inserts, you'd have a very nice set up capable for multiple uses.

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Vintage Lyman and Redfield sights are the best in my opinion for older ( and in my opinion newer) traditional lever rifles.I just put a Lyman 56MB on a waffletop Marlin 35Rem.
For your rifle a sight in these lines would be perfect:

Lyman 56A

Redfield 70EH
there are variations of these that have hand adjustable target knobs. I bought mine years ago off eBay. With new laws about gun parrts U.S. sellers may not ship to Canada. Expect to pay $300 or more for one of the vintage sights.

I would not get a Lyman 21 (climbin Lyman for an old 94. I have one on my Browning95, because it required the least work to mount (one new hole). It is just not as good a sight as the sights noted above.

The new aluminum sights work well but they just are not as nice aesthetically.
 
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The Lyman 66 in steel is nice for a 94 as well. I think Lyman switched to aluminum base for their receiver sights maybe in the 1970's? If your 94 is pre 1950 you will have to drill the two holes and tap for receiver sight though.
 
Ardent said:
Think the Lyman 48 is what I need, any other good, repeatable click classic Win 94 sights? I’m loving the Redfield International / Olympic on one of my 52s, and it’d get me using my grandfather’s old .30-30 to have a similar sight for it.
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You can get the Lyman 66 or Williams FP with positive-click knobs, and I think some even have target knobs. For best accuracy, you're looking at a front sight upgrade too, which may or may not be easy (depends on whether it's ramped and hooded or not)

I could be wrong but Pedersoli (and similar) may make a tang-mount creedmoor style sight for the old 94s too (or at least one with the correct dimensions as you're drilling and tapping the tang either way) - same deal though, new front sight will make all the difference.
 
I put a vintage Lyman 66 steel sight on mine, it was far superior to the newer version in aluminum. The aluminum one I tried first had sloppy tolerances, and it broke when falling off the truck seat onto the floor of the truck, onto a rubber floor mat, just a one foot drop. The old steel ones are precise, durable, and expensive. And they look a little better than the Williams on a vintage rifle.
 
Ardent said:
I think I need to find a vintage 66A with turrets. :)
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The trouble turrets on a receiver sight on a hunting rifle is that the turrets are fairly large and obstruct some more of the forward view for the shooter. I would personally look for a Lyman or Redfield with low profile adjustments.
 
Longwalker said:
I put a vintage Lyman 66 steel sight on mine, it was far superior to the newer version in aluminum. The aluminum one I tried first had sloppy tolerances, and it broke when falling off the truck seat onto the floor of the truck, onto a rubber floor mat, just a one foot drop. The old steel ones are precise, durable, and expensive. And they look a little better than the Williams on a vintage rifle.
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I've used several of the micrometer Williams FPs and not had any trouble with them. Saying that, I do not like the WGRS with the sliding adjustments.
 
I have a Redfield on my '57 vintage 94. There are two versions, I can't remember the model numbers, but one has target knobs and the other "hunter" knobs, that are adjusted by a coin. It's a lot easier to adjust than the Williams that requires a couple of tiny screwdrivers.

One caveat is that mine was not a perfect fit. The screw holes seem a little too high on the sight base ( or too low in the receiver ) and I had to do a bit of filing on the base to get it to fit properly. I'd post pics but I don't have access to them at the moment.
 
I looked up what is Lyman 66 sight - I think 66A is the version to go on Win 94 - several ads mentioned they are "alloy" - I do not know alloy of what - so maybe over time the "modern" ones are not made of same material as "old" ones, even though they have same name and model number - perhaps something to watch for if "made of steel" is important to you.
 
I'm sure the modern 66A is aluminum. Western Gun Parts has them in stock. The older all steel models are a very classic sight but obviously are more difficult to find.
Given a choice I'd choose steel but I wouldn't feel bad having the aluminum either.
 
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