After seeing a Mossberg Silver Reserve double fire with one trigger pull, and hearing about frequent firing pin issues with the Silver Reserve, I would avoid them. For mostly trap and skeet use, I would go with a used Citori, or a used Beretta, as both can stand up to a high volume of shooting without issues.
Best new over under under $1000
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I don't understand how 3" chambers defeats the purpose. Its still 6lbs like before just now you have the option to fire 2 3/4" or 3" shells. They decided to do this because Berettas 686 Ultralight has a 3" chambers.
I would place a very high bet that a CZ shotgun will stand up to a lot of abuse at the range. Mine has over 1200 rounds though it with just the first year I've had my CZ Redhead. Plus, CZ makes a sporting clay over/under that is the same action design as all their other shotguns and they now make a CZ Redhead Sporting Clay shotgun. Don't forget the Dehaan buys their shotguns from Huglu aswell only Dehaan do the engraving themselves and then turn around and sell them for $3000 with only 2 years of warrenty well CZ has 5 years of warrenty for the same gun.
yes I agree 100%. Not to mention that a lightweight shotgun is a really poor choice for trap and skeet shooting.
Ahsan Ahmed
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Try experimenting few consistent sessions with 2 3/4in heavy loads in an ultralight (the 3in won't be necessary) and the message will be clear.
The 686/687 series were/are equipped with 2 3/4in chambers - as do most other ultralight o/u shotguns offered by the more prominent makers.
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Well everyone, can we just answer the man's question !!!
For me, if you are looking to purchase new I would suggest you take a look at the Savage Milano, one of Savage's best kept secrets. It's actually made in Italy by F.A.I.R (Rizzini), unfortunately Savage has never really promoted this line and is dropping it because sales were not up to expectations. Dante Sports in Montreal has a special on them this month for $997, you can check it out at http://dantesports.com/en/specials.pdf
Turkeyslayer 1300
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If you can't stand recoil either drop down to a smaller gun or switch to a sling shot.
I like 3 and 3 1/2 inch chambers in O/U's and Light Semi's . When you carry a gun a lot and shoot it a little I like the option to throw whatever I want at birds at the end of the walk. Especially when you are after waterfowl or turkeys.
Which realistically makes up more of the shotgun market than upland birds.
Realistically, a shotgun can't quite be chosen by quality or brand. You have to determine what fits you. I have had one of the best shotguns that fit me be under $2000, and I have shouldering $9000 kreigoffs that do not seem to fit just right.
You will hit more with what shoulders better, regardless of the brand.
To answer your question though, there are a few out there. The Mossberg Silver Reserve is a good option. Not only is it economically satisfying, it is aesthetically pleasing.
The next one I would suggest would be the Savage Milano. Very nice guns. Research it a bit, hopefully they are still running under $1000.
The Baikal IZH-28 is a good over under for the money, solid work horse. Those russians do not put all their money into the cosmetics of the gun, but they are very solidly built. Should be under 600 too.
LISTEN. You will encounter is the Stoeger Condor (and variations) in your research. Being honest, stay away from these. I have never seen so many problems with a gun, ever.
Lastly, definitely try and find a good used browning/beretta/marrochi/zoli or a large brand used, even in the EE.
Good luck.
You will hit more with what shoulders better, regardless of the brand.
To answer your question though, there are a few out there. The Mossberg Silver Reserve is a good option. Not only is it economically satisfying, it is aesthetically pleasing.
The next one I would suggest would be the Savage Milano. Very nice guns. Research it a bit, hopefully they are still running under $1000.
The Baikal IZH-28 is a good over under for the money, solid work horse. Those russians do not put all their money into the cosmetics of the gun, but they are very solidly built. Should be under 600 too.
LISTEN. You will encounter is the Stoeger Condor (and variations) in your research. Being honest, stay away from these. I have never seen so many problems with a gun, ever.
Lastly, definitely try and find a good used browning/beretta/marrochi/zoli or a large brand used, even in the EE.
Good luck.
Ahsan Ahmed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
To the OP - the Savage Milano will be a good deal if you could grab one.
Bravo!
Bravo!
Ranger Dave
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I've fired 1000's of shell through my Condor without any issues. What problems do you speak of? My biggest complaint is its heavy for walking hunting. For clays, its fine.
WestIslandRifle
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this is what i like so many people who base they're opinion on name brand i've piece of crappy beretta and remington, great stogers and bad ones too not every gun made will be the same ..... and to the guy talking about the ruger shot gun...... i wouldn't buy a gun that is being discontinued by the mfr for problems on (80%) of them
Mount Sweetness
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New doubles are way overpriced, I can't believe people pay retail prices on these, shop used.
i'm thinking you missed the part where the OP said he will be primarily shooting trap and skeet with this shotgun, not hunting. oops.
There's a reason that trap and skeet shooters don't use 3-1/2 shells very much. I guess it's because they can't stand recoil. Maybe they should switch to slingshots.
Not only that,but when your using up ammo by the flat its best to have some cheap stuff like target loads.
Thanks for all the responses this was an excellent thread. I probably leaning towards a baikal maybe for the fall. Lebarons and others have it for $600. I going to shoulder it if I can find it and see how it fits. I have a Super Black Eagle 2 and a couple of pumps. If I make some room in the safe I may pick up the Baikal. Anyone looking for a dedicated slug gun.
badgreenbird
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Unless I've glossed over it, I didn't see Yildiz mentioned. I have no experience with them but have heard good things. May be better suited for game hunting, however.
Prophet River Firearms carries them, and I have had experience with them
Prophet River Firearms carries them, and I have had experience with them
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
A common complaint with the Ruger Red Label is poor stock design. Close your eyes bring shotgun to shoulder open eyes.......often with the Ruger one is looking at the back of the reciever, and not along the top of the sighting rib. Way too much drop in stock angle.
Another reason this Ruger is no longer in production, the 20 gauge version weighs over 7lbs. That's 12 gauge territory. Someone at a trap range might welcome this extra weight. But it's not a trap gun and that extra weight does not benefit an upland field gun in any way when you've been hunting huns over dogs all day long, with your gun at the ready.
Bill Ruger should have done this better from the get-go. If he did, the Browning Citoris would still have some US made competition.
my two bits.....
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Thanks for the heads up Sasquatch807!!! My wife picked up a 20 ga Savage Milano & I got the 12 ga... Yup, his & hers!!!
The Milano comes with IC, M & F chokes. I picked up a Skeet tube for each of them so we could run Skeet & IC... These are going to be purely upland guns for us & most of the shooting is over the dog & it's close!
Cheers
Jay
I just ordered a CZ Uplander Ultra light 12ga 26'er for my brother who just started hunting at age 38! Really was looking for a light weight O/U F/F choking that he could bash the crap out of and not care if it got banged up for partridge hunting in thick cover. We shoot primarily headshots as they run through the brush, so this gun should fit the bill at just over $800 , will let you now what I think of it when it arrives, cheers Dale Z!
