Best non-res SHTF gun?

smartbomb said:
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I'd want these in 20mm. Just cause.
Not that I can afford it, but we should start importing these.
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Hunting amoured elephants? :p
 
Hybrid4163 said:
Could be he doesn't yet have his rPal.
Reason doesn't matter - his rules = abide.#2 - Only mentioned by 4 or 5 others, but Mini-30. Tons of ammo available, very reliable, a compromise of size/weight/knockdown power, and far more accurate than people give them credit for.
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Only issue with the Mini-30 I see is mags!!! I've seen hi caps pinned ones once in my lifetime and thats it (ATRS had them a few years back), you'd be stuck with 5 rders only! Hope you have your IE drills on par, you'll be doing lots of them, as they say practice makes perfect :)

We try to stay on the legal path here, until Mad max shows up that is...

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that thing looks like it is meant to be mounted on a vehicle, although it might make it more prone to flipping! that thing looks like it weighs a ton!
 
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Airborn_69 said:
Only issue with the Mini-30 I see is mags!!! I've seen hi caps pinned ones once in my lifetime and thats it (ATRS had them a few years back), you'd be stuck with 5 rders only! Hope you have your IE drills on par, you'll be doing lots of them, as they say practice makes perfect :)

We try to stay on the legal path here, until Mad max shows up that is...

f:P:
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There is a company called Canstar Arms that has 5/30 Mini-30 mags listed for $70 on their site.
 
DrawBlood said:
I see what you mean. If I was to be pinned down unexpectedly, I would try to conserve some of my ammo, or I would just bring a .22 because I wouldn't have to worry about ammo conservation, or weight bringing me down while I was out doing mundaine things. If I had planned a small scale assault however to get food or equipment, I would carry a larger caliber to assure the damage cause by putting the round where it needs to go.
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Not trying to bash your decisions on gear but something to chew on.

Even with the extremely light weight and cost of a .22. Ammunition conservation is always a concern, your resources are finite at the best of times and more so in trying times.

The M14 for a planned assault or "forage" would be a better choice than the .22. However, the so called "stopping power" advantage of the .308 is a myth. Shot placement is the only sure way to stop a threat. The .308 has other advantages but those too are still handicapped by the excessive weight of the rifle and ammo as well as the increased recoil and size of the rifle. If I only had the two (M14 and a .22) the M14 would be the better choice for serious work.


Rurik said:
A lot of good thoughts and opinions, and a little bit of consistency, but it seems to depend largely on what a person already has. What I think would help the OP (and myself, for example) would be an idea of the best couple of options to look at pursuing in a SHTF firearm.

I own an SKS that I hate and an M14 that I love, but I'm not wild about carrying (or purchasing) a couple thousand rounds of 7.62 unless I'm bugging out in my Toyota. The problem I'm having is I could shell out $3000 and pick up pretty much everything I want (a pistol, a shotty, and an AR/CZ) after getting my restricted this spring, but I'd prefer to shell out another $1000 or so and pick up a dedicated platform (upgrades for my M14? An AR? A CZ?) and spend the rest on ammo.

I just can't seem to figure out the best route to go, and each seems to have downsides no matter what path you figure.
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As posted, there is no perfect answer, if there was we would all have the same gear. You can choose the best option for your intended purpose. The trick is determining your purpose/role. This will hinge on several factors.

Cost
Area/terrain
Bug out, bug in or both
desired effective range
Weight
Ammo availability
Reliability
Ease of use
Spare parts/support
performance

All the factors above should be factored in before deciding on a specific system. Lay out the ones you feel are the best, then determine where they fall with regards to the criteria above. The one with the most check marks for it is probably the best option for your specific role/purpose.

trekstor said:
Its never perfect.

I switch to Benelli Mr1 from m14 because.

mr1 self cleaning,
fires .223 which the Military will have tones, you can carry tones, and its cheaper then .308
mr1 fires all types of loads, not really picky.

Other option is a nice ar15, ACR, cz, u got nothing else to pick from unless u like FN2000.

No matter what you need 1000 to 2500 for a rifle, 500 to 1000 for pistol, and 1000 for ammo.

No cheap way, this is no optics yet, for your rifle.

I suggest you look at a Benelli Mr1 on the CGN classified.

You have to understand that all these rifles wont last for ever with out proper maintenance. So a shotgun and a revolver will be essential for the long term plan.
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No firearm is "self cleaning" that is crap. A design may be less prone to fouling but it is not self cleaning.

You're right that firearms won't last forever without proper maintenance. You're wrong when you say a revolver and a shotgun will be essential. Both require just as much maintenance as any other firearm and arguably more for revolvers over autos. Knives need maintenance and they have few to zero moving parts.

Hybrid4163 said:
Wow! I actually read every post in this. I need a life!
#1 - You're required to pick a non-rest. Why, because the OP says so - that's why.
Could be so it's 'with you' when the shtf.
Could be to add more variety to the discussion (there being more non's than rest.)
Could be he doesn't yet have his rPal.
Reason doesn't matter - his rules = abide.

#2 - Only mentioned by 4 or 5 others, but Mini-30. Tons of ammo available, very reliable, a compromise of size/weight/knockdown power, and far more accurate than people give them credit for.
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The mini30 may be more accurate than people give them credit for, but they are no where near as accurate as other options mentioned such as the 858, Swiss Arms, Tavor, or AR180B. The lack of parts and magazines for the mini30 is another weak point. If you can't keep it running its of no use.

skunkydaniel said:
Another vote for the AR180B-2. AR performance with the non-res banner, all at a bargain price. Yah, I got one.

If not that, an 870, 18" barrel, EoTech, BUIS, Knox stock, tube ext and a side saddle.
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The AR180B has a polymer receiver which has failed users in the past. That alone is enough to disqualify it from being a serious contender in my mind. If you couldn't have the Ar10B then a shotgun is not an option. The thread is for non restricted RIFLES not shotguns. To that, any of the other rifles mentioned will put you and your shotgun to shame in a head to head. Shotguns have excessive recoil, limited range, slow follow up shots, low magazine capacities and heavy ammunition.

TDC
 
TDC said:
The AR180B has a polymer receiver which has failed users in the past. That alone is enough to disqualify it from being a serious contender in my mind.
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Ah :yingyang: , I don't particularly baby mine....:) , and it seems reasonably resilient....;)....just don't let it tilt too far forward too fast when you take it down ! :D
 
JBD said:
Having Water, food, shelter, heat, antibiotics and a ton of mundane stuff would make much more difference in survival than whether we chose a cooey repeater over a tavor.

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Nothing says post-apocalyptic survival like black leather and no hat in 44 degree Australian heat. No wonder Mel is bat-s**t crazy.
 
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Honestly 12g 14+1, 26" overall length and it's pump action. I think we just found our hopfully soon to be Best non-res SHTF shotgun.
 
Airborn_69 said:
Only issue with the Mini-30 I see is mags!!! I've seen hi caps pinned ones once in my lifetime and thats it (ATRS had them a few years back), you'd be stuck with 5 rders only! Hope you have your IE drills on par, you'll be doing lots of them, as they say practice makes perfect :)

We try to stay on the legal path here, until Mad max shows up that is...

f:P:
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They're available on the EE often enough, besides, practising with your firearms is a good thing.
 
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