Best non-res SHTF gun?

The best non-restricted SHTF gun?

One that will operate reliably under all conditions...

One that you can run (considering you have trained to) under extreme stress without thinking...

One that can be used reliably to eliminate threats AND feed you as necessary.

My vote...a lever action .30-30 or Remington 870 in 12 gauge.

I own and have owned a metric boatload of different semi-auto center fire rifles and carbines. They are cool and have their applications...but if you really believe that you need a AR with 10 mags as your standard load out to sort things out when things are going badly, then things are way worse than than you and your AR are likely going to resolve on your own.

The holy grail of SHTF scenarios seems to have people pulling pins from mags and running around with AR's and VZ's and a chest rig full of mags....that being the case I would imagine that there will be plenty of guns and mags to pick up off the street for the forseable future.
 
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Fail on the .30-30 lever gun. What makes you think that it will outperform a CZ 858 (7.62x39)? It won’t. Not to mention when you are out of rounds, you’re dead. The CZ operator on the other hand will just slap a new 30 round mag in.
The .30-30 is great for taking deer and such, but that’s about it.
 
CZ 858 loaded with 7.62x39 150gr CORBON Hunter JSP. or if you reload.
Nosler .308-125BT Ballistic Tip works great over the proper amount of IMR4227...Hornady 123 SP Point being expanding ammo replacing the fmJ.. thats Just an example for the CZ In general any non restricted platform loaded with the proper ammo will kick ass. Still user end better be up to speed with practise remember that saying fear the man with one gun?
. Also if anyone argues Who wants to spend time reloading all that ammo? Id rather sit in the shop Listening to "The FOX" Vancouver's best radio and loading then watching TV. But thats me. But I also believe there is no perfect rifle the yall have there pros and cons
 
pazzo said:
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Fail on the .30-30 lever gun. What makes you think that it will outperform a CZ 858 (7.62x39)? It won’t. Not to mention when you are out of rounds, you’re dead. The CZ operator on the other hand will just slap a new 30 round mag in.
The .30-30 is great for taking deer and such, but that’s about it.
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Where did I say that a .30-30 lever gun will outperform the CZ 858? You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Don't bother its been done before.

I guess my point is..where does the fantasy belief come from that when it all ends...however that may look, the only thing that will save your ass is a high capacity semi-auto? CZ operator? LMAO...Give me a break...

Spend some more time worrying about have potable water to drink and food to eat, and being less of a tax on what resources are actually left after the "big one" hits.
 
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the judge said:
The best non-restricted SHTF gun?


>My vote...a lever action .30-30 or Remington 870 in 12 gauge.

Here, here!

The first rule of a gun fight is "have a gun". Anything that is a pain in the ass to carry makes it hard to keep the first rule. The 30-30 is hands down one of the easiest rifles going to carry, as are most lever actions.

The 870 is another great firearm that few would argue against. The odd thing is that there are many gun guys who do not choose a lever action because of the time it takes to reload, yet have no problem with the idea of relying on a pump action.
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i think that the cz and the sks are the best choices in canada.

1)non-restricted

2)cheap bulk ammo

3)cheap aftermarket parts


i would recommend at least one cz for yourself and a couple sks's for others in your survival group. the sks is great for inexperienced shooters as they dont have to worry about dealing with magazines, while you can reload the cz off of strippers with the mag still on.

...that being said, my old man rocks a winchester 30.30 lever and could easily hit me from out of my capable range with it. he also has a ton more bushcraft skill. glad he's on my side.
 
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Where did I say that a .30-30 lever gun will outperform the CZ 858? You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Don't bother its been done before.

I guess my point is..where does the fantasy belief come from that when it all ends...however that may look, the only thing that will save your ass is a high capacity semi-auto? CZ operator? LMAO...Give me a break...

Spend some more time worrying about have potable water to drink and food to eat, and being less of a tax on what resources are actually left after the "big one" hits.
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No one is hoping for or banking on a full out civil war. That being said, semi auto centre fire rifles of a military pattern carry with them some very distinct advantages over your antique deer slayer. With the option of an over priced, low speed, low magazine capacity rifle chambered in an anemic cartridge that costs a pretty penny to stock up on. Over a purpose built, proven design, high capacity semi auto that is chambered in a very cheap very accessible calibre. I'll gladly choose the later.

Focusing on ones water supply and/or food supply is directly connected to ones ability to defend it. Again, a military pattern semi auto is vastly superior to the archaic lever gun of many years ago. I will admit that the operator plays a large part in the equation. However, the advantages of the military pattern rifle and the disadvantages of the lever gun are still present regardless of the operators skill level. I would venture to bet that those who run an 858 have far more trigger time on their rifles than most if not all lever gun users.


joebanana said:
the judge said:
The best non-restricted SHTF gun?


>My vote...a lever action .30-30 or Remington 870 in 12 gauge.

Here, here!

The first rule of a gun fight is "have a gun". Anything that is a pain in the ass to carry makes it hard to keep the first rule. The 30-30 is hands down one of the easiest rifles going to carry, as are most lever actions.

The 870 is another great firearm that few would argue against. The odd thing is that there are many gun guys who do not choose a lever action because of the time it takes to reload, yet have no problem with the idea of relying on a pump action.
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For starters the OP asked for non res RIFLES NOT SHOTGUNS, so STOP mentioning shotguns!

The lever gun is a joke when compared to other action types, sorry. The lever was at its peak when it was the latest design to hit the hills. Those days(years) are long long gone. As for relying on a pump gun over a lever. Yes, its a wise idea. The pump action firearm(usually a shotgun) is a much simpler mechanical device than the lever gun. Clearing a stoppage in a pump gun is also much easier than that of a lever gun. Follow up shots are simplified with a linear movement as opposed to the pendulum motion of a lever gun. Magazine capacity of the pump is similar or less than that of some lever guns so no advantage there. The only other advantage is the ammo availability and versatility(ability to run all rounds found) so long as we're talking about shotguns. Which we aren't...

Lever guns are a poor choice if one has the choice to make.

TDC
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.303s are plentiful, cheap and reliable. Fancier might be better, but how will availability of parts and ammo be affected in a shtf scenario?

Reloading .22 won't be easy, but storing logisitics for .303 should be doable.
 
I know the sub 2000 was kinda made fun of earlier. But it got me thinking.

Like, the .223 was devised so that soldiers could carry more ammunition on patrol, from what I've read. So I'm wondering, how much 9mm vs. .223 would you carry. Weight wise I wonder how much 200 rounds weighs of each.

Also, while it would suck to find yourself in a long range engagement (I call long range 75+ yards, practically speaking), the likelihood of such an engagement is small compared to a CQB sort of situation. This, in my opinion levels the playing field for the sub 2000. Under 80 yards, it holds its own, does it not?

I just really don't think people are going to seriously find themselves in the long range engagements they think they are. This makes all this .223 and .308 talk a bunch of #### measuring. lol Nothin wrong with a sub2000 or even a shotgun IMO.
 
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