Best non-res SHTF gun?
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Every time I read this thread, I keep thinking about that TV show "The Colony" where they have to survive after a SHTF scenario.
All I could think about is how even a single firearm can completley change the course of how you survive in that kind of event.
They get physical, pushing, punching, using bats, and pepper spray. I keep thinking, man, just pull out the gun you had on you in case of that scenario!
All I could think about is how even a single firearm can completley change the course of how you survive in that kind of event.
They get physical, pushing, punching, using bats, and pepper spray. I keep thinking, man, just pull out the gun you had on you in case of that scenario!
Maybe on a macro scale......but localized riots are potentially SHTF too....
For sure, but for the life of me I can't see a situation in Canada where you could not see the potential of a riot first and have time to leave the area.
tactical lever
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I know I'll hear it from the...mffpt...snerk...bwaha ha ha ha!! Operators!! Ha ha snort, cough (tears) ha! Sorry couldn't hold it in!
Now then where were we? Ah yes, the fabled societal collapse gun. For me, I would lean towards a lever action in a smallish round. Probably .218 Bee, 25-35, .357 Reminton Maximum, 30-30 (Marlin) or .460 S&W (Puma). Stainless steel of course.
Might seem like an odd assortment of calibers but I have these in mind for economy and versatility. Obviously some are oddball, but if I had enough components it may not trouble me a great deal. The .357 Max could take .357 and .38 Spl., The .460 you would have a choice between .45 Colt and .454 Casull as well. The 30-30 and .357 Max would be at the top of the heap, with the .308 cal bullet probably being produced in more volume than the next 2 competitors, and also it's ability to fire cartridge adapters would put it at the top.
That and the rifles are well made and accurate. If I did need parts, they've been making marlins the same for 100 years.
I'm also considering that all of these could be cast for if needed.
It may not meet many peoples idea of tactical but consider it's silent 1st shot (round chambered on half ####), I can quickly eject the adapter for a quick full house round (and not lose the thing). Add a round upon ejecting one (a lever man never has to emty his rifle), and no matter what I'm shooting it will always eject and I'll be able to recover my brass.
No mags to fumble with and lose, and if we are involved in guerilla combat (you Rambos, you) I can also fire sub-sonic rounds loaded with 250 gr pills for sneakiness. I won't have to worry about it dirtying up my gun with a suppressor (like a semi), and I will be quicker than a semi as well.
For further evidence of the tacticalness, watch True Grit, Terminator, and a few episodes of The Rifleman.
I also think the lack of intimidation factor would make it easier to barter/deal with others.
The semi is quicker, but I believe the ease of maintainance and other factors offset this enough for me to rely on it more (save all out war) but I'll still restore law and order for you pilgrims. A bunch of us used to play paint ball with pumps with a friend that had a semi, we used to beat him regularly as a rule.
Now then where were we? Ah yes, the fabled societal collapse gun. For me, I would lean towards a lever action in a smallish round. Probably .218 Bee, 25-35, .357 Reminton Maximum, 30-30 (Marlin) or .460 S&W (Puma). Stainless steel of course.
Might seem like an odd assortment of calibers but I have these in mind for economy and versatility. Obviously some are oddball, but if I had enough components it may not trouble me a great deal. The .357 Max could take .357 and .38 Spl., The .460 you would have a choice between .45 Colt and .454 Casull as well. The 30-30 and .357 Max would be at the top of the heap, with the .308 cal bullet probably being produced in more volume than the next 2 competitors, and also it's ability to fire cartridge adapters would put it at the top.
That and the rifles are well made and accurate. If I did need parts, they've been making marlins the same for 100 years.
I'm also considering that all of these could be cast for if needed.
It may not meet many peoples idea of tactical but consider it's silent 1st shot (round chambered on half ####), I can quickly eject the adapter for a quick full house round (and not lose the thing). Add a round upon ejecting one (a lever man never has to emty his rifle), and no matter what I'm shooting it will always eject and I'll be able to recover my brass.
No mags to fumble with and lose, and if we are involved in guerilla combat (you Rambos, you) I can also fire sub-sonic rounds loaded with 250 gr pills for sneakiness. I won't have to worry about it dirtying up my gun with a suppressor (like a semi), and I will be quicker than a semi as well.
For further evidence of the tacticalness, watch True Grit, Terminator, and a few episodes of The Rifleman.
I also think the lack of intimidation factor would make it easier to barter/deal with others.
The semi is quicker, but I believe the ease of maintainance and other factors offset this enough for me to rely on it more (save all out war) but I'll still restore law and order for you pilgrims. A bunch of us used to play paint ball with pumps with a friend that had a semi, we used to beat him regularly as a rule.
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tactical lever
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Fox Creek, Alberta
Just sayin'.....We couldn't shoot each other with anything more substantial! Even still we've gotten scars; chronyed mine and found it was shooting 320.
Just for illustration; pump vs. bolt, vs. semi.
It's the Indian, not the arrow. (I'll still take a Marlin)
Thanks BTW.
MauserMike
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- SW Ontario
Quebec Ice Storm.
mudgunner49
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There were riots during the ice storm?? Funny - I was there with the Army and didn't see any...
blake
Ar180shooter
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- Ottawa, ON
Also the blackout in Southern Ontario that happened a few years back. Things would have gotten really nasty if it had continued for a few weeks instead of 3 days. Just think of it: most people have run out of food and no stores are open, so they're getting hungry.
fortunately, starbucks should have a few days of vanilla bean lattes and chocolate oat cakes to keep the crazy toronto metro, design guys from running amuck (spelling of amuck?). Montreal on the other hand will have a legion of toothless french guys flipping cars sporting red fatigues (jersey's) with a CH target on the front. (eithor way...no worries)
(I'm french and missing a tooth right now (ortho) so i can say it)
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
As a former serviceman, I have a hate on for the Para-ordnance M-85. Choose whatever you think is appropriate, and that you have practiced with. It would really suck to have to use it "for real" though, to be honest; don't you think, although it would be better than other options. . .
Choose whatever you think is appropriate, and that you have practiced with. It would really suck to have to use it "for real" though, to be honest; don't you think, although it would be better than other options. . .Just remember that no power even for a couple of days equals no debit or credit cards or even phones to call the cops with.
Bad guys get bold pretty quick when they know you can't call anybody (and our justice system has conveniently left them all amongst us) and even regular people start to get desperate pretty quick when they are cold and don't have anything to eat......
My personal duty is to protect and feed my family - while I like all the cool tactical rifles etc, it's hard to argue with a 22 for small game, an SMLE for large game and a shorty 12 GA with a spare long barrel for defence/hunting.
I just do not see the practicality or possibility of ever needing to spray bullets at a long distance.........
Bad guys get bold pretty quick when they know you can't call anybody (and our justice system has conveniently left them all amongst us) and even regular people start to get desperate pretty quick when they are cold and don't have anything to eat......
My personal duty is to protect and feed my family - while I like all the cool tactical rifles etc, it's hard to argue with a 22 for small game, an SMLE for large game and a shorty 12 GA with a spare long barrel for defence/hunting.
I just do not see the practicality or possibility of ever needing to spray bullets at a long distance.........
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
^X2, imo you should have a balanced allocation of your meager resources, let's face it we live in Canada and our personal resources are very often spread thin out of necessity on a good day. Maybe your $ spent on tactical gee gaws might be better spent on other supplies like the necessities of life, storable consumable items, communications gear, small stuff to help you and your loved ones survive, investments that pay you dividends in the meantime, so you can slowly add to your personal store, etc.
