Best non restricted black rifle for 3 gun

[Steve Janes]

if you could run any mag why not just run a beta drum, most rifles you see at a match have them available unlike how our gun laws allow a window of opertunity only with the stanag mags.

EXACTLY

Because they are cumbersome, and jam often, this makes them a poor equipment choice, and a poor equipment choice will hurt your score. Get it?

Again your #####ing about Canadian Gun Laws, not 3 gun rules. Join the club, our laws suck, work around them the best you can and have fun.

 

[Stevo]

trying to help out the OP incase he wants to be competetive or just shoot for fun

Your posts have been about your issues with "fairness", not about the OP.

If you're shooting Sig or HK that's not very fair to guys with lesser quality guns, is it?

 

[Steve Janes]

Your posts have been about your issues with "fairness", not about the OP.

If you're shooting Sig or HK that's not very fair to guys with lesser quality guns, is it?

x2

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[Brian46]

EXACTLY

Because they are cumbersome, and jam often, this makes them a poor equipment choice, and a poor equipment choice will hurt your score. Get it?

where have you run a beta drum to it's full potential and had problems? what brand? this is where quality kit comes in to play.

You would also see courses change if higher capacity mags were the norm here.

 

[Steve Janes]

where have you run a beta drum to it's full potential and had problems? what brand? this is where quality kit comes in to play.

You would also see courses change if higher capacity mags were the norm here.

It's pretty common knowledge that beta drums are less reliable than a standard box magazine. But if you need to know read for yourself: http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/jul2003/a072803b.html

This of course doesn't even touch the issue of how heavy and cumbersome 100 rounds on the base of a rifle could be.

 

[Brian46]

Your posts have been about your issues with "fairness", not about the OP.

he is choosing a rifle for 3 gun, fairness has to do with the advantage of certaing guns over the other, it is all things he should consider don't you think?

If you're shooting Sig or HK that's not very fair to guys with lesser quality guns, is it?

then handicap me on accuracy if you like, I don't run more than 5rnd mags though

 

[Steve Janes]

I don't run more than 5rnd mags though

That's a poor equipment choice for this particular competition then isn't it

 

[Brian46]

It's pretty common knowledge that beta drums are less reliable than a standard box magazine. But if you need to know read for yourself: http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/jul2003/a072803b.html

one brand review and they are all junk? I have shot AK's and HK's with drums down south without malfunctions

 

[Brian46]

That's a poor equipment choice for this particular competition then isn't it

only if you can run yours faster

 

[00aught]

I've never competed in 3gun. But when I do get my RPAL and start competing in 3 gun i will definitely be getting a rifle with ar mags. I think it would be crazy not to if you're serious about it. But hey if you're there to have fun then rock a 5 round mag.

 

[Brian]

x2 for the AR180B. Reliable non-restricted .223 that uses AR mags. Just watch the EE for a used one.

 

[Mercury0_0]

This is what I use. NR and I can use 10rd AR mags. I bought the Elcan and attached it and didn't have to touch the adjustment knobs because it was right on the money. I took it to a 3-gun match in Idaho and they had steel targets at 300yds and I was ringing steel no problem. Had a fantastic time down there. I came in second (out of 8 guys, it was a small match) and they couldn't believe a Canadian could out shoot 'em. LOL

 

[Mercury0_0]

You don't need a RPAL if you have a friend with his. Just get him to bring the Restricted guns to the match. He's bound to have an extra pistol you can use. No self respecting gun owner has only one pistol.

 

[alpining]

...then handicap me on accuracy if you like...

Theoretically a very interesting concept. But entirely unworkable in the end, I think. Too many variables with so many gear choices out there. It's not as simple as Classic major (8-rds, major scoring) and Classic minor (10-rds, minor scoring) in IPSC. Stevo is bang-on, IMO. In 3-gun there's just no way to be fair aside from saying every competitor has access to every legally permissible option.

You can design stages that the nerf magazine capacity factor. We often see this done with shotgun. How much fun is it to stand in one spot and engage a large array of targets, anyways? Less fun than requiring movement to interrupt the string. If you've got four paces to the next shooting position, I can sneak a mag change in, and my 5-rd mags are less of a handicap.

 

[NewAgeRanger]

Question for you 3-gun competitors. What are the rules in regards to pistol calibre carbines. Ever see guys using jr's or sub2000's or anything like that. Surely it must be a disadvantage, but they are super light weight and have 10 round mags. What are your opinions?

 

[TDC]

Question for you 3-gun competitors. What are the rules in regards to pistol calibre carbines. Ever see guys using jr's or sub2000's or anything like that. Surely it must be a disadvantage, but they are super light weight and have 10 round mags. What are your opinions?

The matches I've shot have no restriction on sub guns, or any gun for that matter. Some competitors run a sub gun and with pistol mags they are an advantage. That being said, if the stage(s) involve longer shots, they can be a bit of a handicap.

TDC

 

[alpining]

Question for you 3-gun competitors. What are the rules in regards to pistol calibre carbines. Ever see guys using jr's or sub2000's or anything like that. Surely it must be a disadvantage, but they are super light weight and have 10 round mags. What are your opinions?

For matches where the rifle shooting is all inside 100m, I wouldn't hesitate to use one in 9mm or 40. In trooper class, I've seen the rules state you can use a PCC AND a proper carbine, varying between stages, which I think is fair.

But reliable PCCs are not cheap. Sub2K is the obvious economical option, but mediocre ergos and difficulty mounting a red dot make it a no-go for me for this application, personally.

 

[Brian46]

Theoretically a very interesting concept. But entirely unworkable in the end, I think. Too many variables with so many gear choices out there. It's not as simple as Classic major (8-rds, major scoring) and Classic minor (10-rds, minor scoring) in IPSC. Stevo is bang-on, IMO. In 3-gun there's just no way to be fair aside from saying every competitor has access to every legally permissible option.

You can design stages that the nerf magazine capacity factor. We often see this done with shotgun. How much fun is it to stand in one spot and engage a large array of targets, anyways? Less fun than requiring movement to interrupt the string. If you've got four paces to the next shooting position, I can sneak a mag change in, and my 5-rd mags are less of a handicap.

just rate the players like they do in golf and assign a handicap, pretty easy to do imo.

 

[Stevo]

Question for you 3-gun competitors. What are the rules in regards to pistol calibre carbines. Ever see guys using jr's or sub2000's or anything like that. Surely it must be a disadvantage, but they are super light weight and have 10 round mags. What are your opinions?

Our privateer 3 gun requires minimum .223/7.62x39 for the rifle.

A PCC is not a rifle.

 

[Stevo]

just rate the players like they do in golf and assign a handicap, pretty easy to do imo.

How many hours of your time are you willing to invest in handicapping?

What data will you use? How will you obtain it?