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It really depends how much you shoot and what your understanding of reliability is. I saw in the other thread that one guy shooting 1,000 rounds/day, that's $800 of ammo in one day. I prefer having several rifles and enjoy the variety and tinkering with it. A Norinco T97 will go up to 10K rounds without a hick up. Do you shoot that much? It is fun to shoot and I can't see myself shelling out double the price for a X95.

On a side note, be vary of some people claiming that they only shot 500 rounds through one of those semis when selling them. I don't believe it. When buying a short barreled rifle, be also aware of the storage and transport regulations for restricted firearms.

I think anything over 300 rounds in one shooting session would be a waste of time as you can’t maintain your skills consistently for 1000 rounds in one session.
 
I can't believe nobody has mentioned Nutnfancy and his KelTec SU16. He loves them, as do many others who've had good luck with them. Some also like the KelTec RDB.

There's also the Benelli MR-1, but I don't know anything about them.

KelTecs typically shoot themselves apart, they are throw away guns at best as they are not end user repairable.
 
KelTecs typically shoot themselves apart, they are throw away guns at best as they are not end user repairable.

The singular exception to your argument against KelTec products is the RDB rifle. They are actually a very simple and solid design with excellent reliability and apparent durability. We're it not so difficult and awkward to access and remediate stoppages, I would suggest that the RDB is ready for military and/or police duty trials. It really is that good in my humble estimation.
 
KelTecs typically shoot themselves apart, they are throw away guns at best as they are not end user repairable.

Lots of people disagree (take Bartok here, for example), and I'd encourage any prospective buyer to do their own research. They're certainly not for everyone, but depending on what you're looking for the SU16 and the RDB can be great options.
 
The singular exception to your argument against KelTec products is the RDB rifle. They are actually a very simple and solid design with excellent reliability and apparent durability. We're it not so difficult and awkward to access and remediate stoppages, I would suggest that the RDB is ready for military and/or police duty trials. It really is that good in my humble estimation.

I'd agree, the RDB is probably one of their best designs and best follow throughs on that design. They're very light, and the few different variants of them are genuinely unique.

If I had budget and purpose, a survival version would definitely be in my safe.
 
Agree to disagree.

Over the last 10 years I've sold many like-new, only a few hundred rounds shot, rifles and shotguns. One shotgun was even brand new and never shot. Everyone is different in their shooting habits and I would've agreed with you on that statement 10 years ago, when I would average 1 range session each week, and at least 100 rounds per gun per session. But very quickly life changed and you have other priorities that reduced the amount of time you can go shooting, and some guns just don't get shot as much, or they never made it out before you see another gun you wanted more.

If the gun looks new cosmetically, and very little wear internally, i would believe someone only shooting a few hundred rounds on a rifle when they sell it.

To the original topic.
- Bren 2
- X95 or Tavor
- B&T lineup
- RDB and SU16 despite the keltec naysayers on CGN. RDB needs the initial gas dialing-in (easy to do) but it's solid after, and the SU16 just needs realistic expections (it's not an AR replacement, and is made of polymer at a low cost) to enjoy. Both are reliable and have been around for a long time, and honestly more "proven" than any of the Canadian-made 180 variants (I do hope the BCL Siberian will turn out to be a good one, after the initial bugs are fixed).
 
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The singular exception to your argument against KelTec products is the RDB rifle. They are actually a very simple and solid design with excellent reliability and apparent durability. We're it not so difficult and awkward to access and remediate stoppages, I would suggest that the RDB is ready for military and/or police duty trials. It really is that good in my humble estimation.

I had an RFB that was also excellent. I had quite a few rounds through it, and I don't recall ever having a malfunction. The only reason I sold it was, as you said, the fact that it would be "difficult and awkward to access and remediate stoppages". Not that I ever had any. It was a great gun in every other way.
 
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