Best place to buy 2f black powder ( reloading of the 1866 chassepot)

Joffre1994 said:
Anyone know the best place for buying 2f powder? And also any trick to make some cartridge for the chassepot rifle? Thanks!
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I was just given a pound of Swiss Black Powder this morning. One pound, unopened. I've been using Pyrodex RS for a lot of years so I don't know much about this 2Fg stuff.
 
Proline Shooters in Calgary usually has BP

Odinson said:
I was just given a pound of Swiss Black Powder this morning. One pound, unopened. I've been using Pyrodex RS for a lot of years so I don't know much about this 2Fg stuff.
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Pyrodex RS is the equivalent of either 2F or 3F, I can't remember which.

Pyrodex works fine in cap locks and cartridge rifles but should not be used in a flintlock. Its seriously scary in a flintlock.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
Proline Shooters in Calgary usually has BP


Pyrodex RS is the equivalent of either 2F or 3F, I can't remember which.

Pyrodex works fine in cap locks and cartridge rifles but should not be used in a flintlock. Its seriously scary in a flintlock.
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I've been using Pyrodex RS in my Traditions left hand 50 cal for year. What am I missing? I have never had an issue, fairly quick ignition and every load went the equivalent of "bang." I was never told of any safety issues so please enlighten me.
Safety is first and foremost for me, as it should be for anyone.
Thanks!
 
Odinson said:
I've been using Pyrodex RS in my Traditions left hand 50 cal for year. What am I missing? I have never had an issue, fairly quick ignition and every load went the equivalent of "bang." I was never told of any safety issues so please enlighten me.
Safety is first and foremost for me, as it should be for anyone.
Thanks!
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IDCAY can speak for himself about what he's said, but the only thing I've heard about Pyrodex or subs in a flintlock, is that they need a hotter spark/temp than real BP requires, so hangfires or misfires may result. I'm curious as well.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
IDCAY can speak for himself about what he's said, but the only thing I've heard about Pyrodex or subs in a flintlock, is that they need a hotter spark/temp than real BP requires, so hangfires or misfires may result. I'm curious as well.
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Now that the misfires are part of the discussion, last time out to the range, I had a couple of shots that didn't go the first time. I thought that maybe I didn't put enough powder in the pan. It had never happened before. But, now it makes sense.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
IDCAY can speak for himself about what he's said, but the only thing I've heard about Pyrodex or subs in a flintlock, is that they need a hotter spark/temp than real BP requires, so hangfires or misfires may result. I'm curious as well.
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I've never had any luck running that sh1t in my percussion guns. I dumped nearly a pound of it in the wife's garden. The roses didn't care much for it either.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
IDCAY can speak for himself about what he's said, but the only thing I've heard about Pyrodex or subs in a flintlock, is that they need a hotter spark/temp than real BP requires, so hangfires or misfires may result. I'm curious as well.
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The one time I tried it, ignition was very slow and the buildup of pressure sounded like a rocket spooling up. Basically it went:

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtt .... BOOM! It prob took a second and a half to get to the BOOM part of the process.

During the Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttt portion a jet of flame shot out of the touch hole. The whole thing scared the poop out of me. I tried maybe 3 or 4 shots before I'd had enough and vowed never to use Pyrodex in my flinter ever again.

I've heard of people using a duplex load, with a small about of 3F BP underneath the Pyrodex to help the Pyrodex ignite faster and more completely. However I have enough 2F and 3F to last me for quite a while. I'd need to be very desperate to even consider Pyrodex again.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
The one time I tried it, ignition was very slow and the buildup of pressure sounded like a rocket spooling up. Basically it went:

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtt .... BOOM! It prob took a second and a half to get to the BOOM part of the process.

During the Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttt portion a jet of flame shot out of the touch hole. The whole thing scared the poop out of me. I tried maybe 3 or 4 shots before I'd had enough and vowed never to use Pyrodex in my flinter ever again.

I've heard of people using a duplex load, with a small about of 3F BP underneath the Pyrodex to help the Pyrodex ignite faster and more completely. However I have enough 2F and 3F to last me for quite a while. I'd need to be very desperate to even consider Pyrodex again.
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What you are describing seems to be exactly what the Hodgdon documentation says.... they also specifically note to not use it in a side or flintlock, with a somewhat vague reason but do specify that it is intended for cap lock and metallic cartridge use.

I think the difference here is that pyrodex is a propellant where black powder is not (an explosive) combined with a higher ignition temperature (they advise which caps to use with which substitute powders as well)
 
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