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I have S&B 7.62x25 brass I've reloaded multiple times.
Thanks for the chart, 1ABNDT.
Guess it's time to dig out all my CCI Blazer 115/124gr ammo and throw it on the EE...lol...
I also now have a sense why Fiocchi ammo seems to sell out very quickly.
My apologies OP for the detour, here's exceptional rifle ammo from Blackhills Ammunition.
They also carry HG ammo like the "Honey Badger" fantastic unconventional round
http://www.black-hills.com/product-category/mk-262-mod-1-c-mil-pack/
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They also carry HG ammo like the "Honey Badger" fantastic unconventional round
http://www.black-hills.com/product-category/mk-262-mod-1-c-mil-pack/
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Is the Black Hills or Honey Badger ammo available in Canada? I have seen a few Youtube videos praising the quality of the ammo, but I have yet to find it in Canada. Of course I must concede that I may not be looking hard enough in enough places...
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I’ve seen the black hills stuff available online. Never heard of the honey badger before. Can’t remember the sites but there was a few places selling the BH stuff, they were charging a premium but the brand carries a big rep, haven’t fired any myself so can’t attest to its quality though I’m sure it’s good.
Guys in my area and club mostly shoot blazer. See the s&b every now and then. I’ve been shooting the aluminum federal stuff when tendA has it on for .20c per round and I’ve found it to be pretty decent. Not the best but the value was excellent
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Out of stock at the moment "non HB"
https://www.corlanes.com/brands/black-hills/
Out of Stock at the moment "non HB"
https://www.solelyoutdoors.com/black-hill-ammo-usa-9mm-luger-124gr-jhp-brass-1150.html
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1355909-Black-Hills-Ammunition-at-AmmoSupply-ca
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https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2021/3/29/10-great-defense-loads-for-the-9-mm
10 Great Defense Loads for the 9 mm
by David Workman - Monday, March 29, 2021
Flashback to 1986, Dade County, FL. What came out of the now infamous Miami Shootout was the development of a new standard for ballistic performance. Called The FBI Test Protocol, this new rating system required upgraded penetration and wound cavity standards, including a standard that all defensive rounds must penetrate ballistic gel at least 12 inches when shot through a series of mediums such as denim, heavy coats, and other commonly worn fabrics.
Choosing a great defensive round can be tough. There are many outstanding ones out there. For this article, we have identified some of the most popular and then a few of the ones less likely to be found at your local gun or sporting goods store. Below are ten choices for excellent defensive rounds.
Black Hills HoneyBadger 100-Grain +P
This revolutionary design from Black Hills bucked the hollowpoint trend with a fluted configuration designed to create a 2-inch-wide cavity and rely less on projectile spread and more on the pressure system created by the four wings on a cross-shaped bullet to improve penetration. Rather than relying on expansion, the 115-grain bullet from Lehigh Defense delivers massive wound trauma with a design that can't get clogged by clothing or debris.
Velocity: 1,250 fps
Energy: 347 ft.-lbs.
Black Hills 115-Grain +P JHP
A standard hollowpoint architecture, Black Hills' 115-grain bullet tends to come to rest closer the 12-inch end of the penetration spectrum, but that could be good, as it reduces the risk of over penetration. As a result, this Black Hills load is a wise consideration for use in crowded or confined areas like homes or apartment buildings.
Velocity: 1,250 fps
Energy: 399 ft.-lbs.
Hornady American Gunner 124-Grain +P XTP
Designed for hunting, self-defense, and law enforcement applications, Hornady's XTP bullet is also the choice of many top competitive shooters around the world. It's highly accurate, provides reliable expansion on target, and penetrates to desirable depths. Solid bullet construction with precise loadings from Hornady make this an ideal option for personal defense.
Velocity: 1,200 fps
Energy: 396 ft.-lbs.
Federal Premium HST 124-Grain JHP
Federal’s pre-skived bullet tip causes the HST bullet to expand into large petals, causing a large wound cavity. The design of this bullet forces the lead petals open during expansion to protect the copper petals behind them. This has become one of the most popular defense rounds for the 9 mm, and with good reason.
Velocity: 1,150 fps
Energy: 364 ft.-lbs.
Winchester PDX1 Defender 124-Grain +P JHP
Long known more for their hunting rounds, Winchester is certainly not a novice at defensive ammo. The Winchester Defender may not be the fastest load on the list, but it will certainly get the job done.
Velocity: 1,000 fps
Energy: 275 ft.-lbs.
SIG Sauer Elite 124-Grain V-Crown
Compared to other brands, SIG is fairly new to the ammunition business, but they are no stranger to excellent firearms. In what time they've introduced ammo to the market, it's quickly become known for accuracy and reliability across a wide range of applications. The Elite V-Crown features a stacked hollowpoint design for maximum weight retention during penetration, making it optimal for defense purposes.
Velocity: 1,165 fps
Energy: 374 ft.-lbs.
Hornady Critical Defense 115-Grain FTX
Unlike a typical hollowpoint, Hornady's FTX stuffs a rubber plug inside the cavity that Hornady claim helps reduce clogging when the projectile flies through clothing and other soft barriers, allowing better flowering of the bullet inside the target. Little wonder this design has become popular among personal defense students and law enforcement officials.
Velocity: 1,125 fps
Energy: 323 ft.-lbs.
Magtech Guardian Gold 115-Grain JHP
Czech-made Magtech has quickly grown to one of the most trusted and reliable names in the ammunition business. The Guardian Gold has shown in ballistic tests to penetrate between 14 and 16 inches for good performance well within the FBI test protocol.
Velocity: 1,246 fps
Energy: 396 ft.-lbs.
Speer Gold Dot Carry Gun 135-Grain GDHP
An uncommon weight, the 135-grain Speer Gold Dot found its niche in short barrel applications in both law enforcement and civilian self-defense. Similar to Hornady rounds, Speer added an elastomer core to aid in penetration and spread inside the target.
Velocity: 1,120 fps
Energy: 376 ft.-lbs.
Federal Personal Defense Punch 124-Grain JHP
By fashioning a casing out of nickel-plated brass and a primer seal, Federal has created a defensive round with a reputation for reliable service, even in shorter barrel firearms typically found in the concealed carry world. This is one of the newer defense loads available for the 9 mm, but it certainly has all the promise and pedigree of a Federal defense round.
Velocity: 1,150 fps
Energy: 364 ft.-lbs.
10 Great Defense Loads for the 9 mm
by David Workman - Monday, March 29, 2021
Flashback to 1986, Dade County, FL. What came out of the now infamous Miami Shootout was the development of a new standard for ballistic performance. Called The FBI Test Protocol, this new rating system required upgraded penetration and wound cavity standards, including a standard that all defensive rounds must penetrate ballistic gel at least 12 inches when shot through a series of mediums such as denim, heavy coats, and other commonly worn fabrics.
Choosing a great defensive round can be tough. There are many outstanding ones out there. For this article, we have identified some of the most popular and then a few of the ones less likely to be found at your local gun or sporting goods store. Below are ten choices for excellent defensive rounds.
Black Hills HoneyBadger 100-Grain +P
This revolutionary design from Black Hills bucked the hollowpoint trend with a fluted configuration designed to create a 2-inch-wide cavity and rely less on projectile spread and more on the pressure system created by the four wings on a cross-shaped bullet to improve penetration. Rather than relying on expansion, the 115-grain bullet from Lehigh Defense delivers massive wound trauma with a design that can't get clogged by clothing or debris.
Velocity: 1,250 fps
Energy: 347 ft.-lbs.
Black Hills 115-Grain +P JHP
A standard hollowpoint architecture, Black Hills' 115-grain bullet tends to come to rest closer the 12-inch end of the penetration spectrum, but that could be good, as it reduces the risk of over penetration. As a result, this Black Hills load is a wise consideration for use in crowded or confined areas like homes or apartment buildings.
Velocity: 1,250 fps
Energy: 399 ft.-lbs.
Hornady American Gunner 124-Grain +P XTP
Designed for hunting, self-defense, and law enforcement applications, Hornady's XTP bullet is also the choice of many top competitive shooters around the world. It's highly accurate, provides reliable expansion on target, and penetrates to desirable depths. Solid bullet construction with precise loadings from Hornady make this an ideal option for personal defense.
Velocity: 1,200 fps
Energy: 396 ft.-lbs.
Federal Premium HST 124-Grain JHP
Federal’s pre-skived bullet tip causes the HST bullet to expand into large petals, causing a large wound cavity. The design of this bullet forces the lead petals open during expansion to protect the copper petals behind them. This has become one of the most popular defense rounds for the 9 mm, and with good reason.
Velocity: 1,150 fps
Energy: 364 ft.-lbs.
Winchester PDX1 Defender 124-Grain +P JHP
Long known more for their hunting rounds, Winchester is certainly not a novice at defensive ammo. The Winchester Defender may not be the fastest load on the list, but it will certainly get the job done.
Velocity: 1,000 fps
Energy: 275 ft.-lbs.
SIG Sauer Elite 124-Grain V-Crown
Compared to other brands, SIG is fairly new to the ammunition business, but they are no stranger to excellent firearms. In what time they've introduced ammo to the market, it's quickly become known for accuracy and reliability across a wide range of applications. The Elite V-Crown features a stacked hollowpoint design for maximum weight retention during penetration, making it optimal for defense purposes.
Velocity: 1,165 fps
Energy: 374 ft.-lbs.
Hornady Critical Defense 115-Grain FTX
Unlike a typical hollowpoint, Hornady's FTX stuffs a rubber plug inside the cavity that Hornady claim helps reduce clogging when the projectile flies through clothing and other soft barriers, allowing better flowering of the bullet inside the target. Little wonder this design has become popular among personal defense students and law enforcement officials.
Velocity: 1,125 fps
Energy: 323 ft.-lbs.
Magtech Guardian Gold 115-Grain JHP
Czech-made Magtech has quickly grown to one of the most trusted and reliable names in the ammunition business. The Guardian Gold has shown in ballistic tests to penetrate between 14 and 16 inches for good performance well within the FBI test protocol.
Velocity: 1,246 fps
Energy: 396 ft.-lbs.
Speer Gold Dot Carry Gun 135-Grain GDHP
An uncommon weight, the 135-grain Speer Gold Dot found its niche in short barrel applications in both law enforcement and civilian self-defense. Similar to Hornady rounds, Speer added an elastomer core to aid in penetration and spread inside the target.
Velocity: 1,120 fps
Energy: 376 ft.-lbs.
Federal Personal Defense Punch 124-Grain JHP
By fashioning a casing out of nickel-plated brass and a primer seal, Federal has created a defensive round with a reputation for reliable service, even in shorter barrel firearms typically found in the concealed carry world. This is one of the newer defense loads available for the 9 mm, but it certainly has all the promise and pedigree of a Federal defense round.
Velocity: 1,150 fps
Energy: 364 ft.-lbs.
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Federal for me I reload the rest
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2021/3/29/10-great-defense-loads-for-the-9-mm
10 Great Defense Loads for the 9 mm
by David Workman - Monday, March 29, 2021
Flashback to 1986, Dade County, FL. What came out of the now infamous Miami Shootout was the development of a new standard for ballistic performance. Called The FBI Test Protocol, this new rating system required upgraded penetration and wound cavity standards, including a standard that all defensive rounds must penetrate ballistic gel at least 12 inches when shot through a series of mediums such as denim, heavy coats, and other commonly worn fabrics.
Choosing a great defensive round can be tough. There are many outstanding ones out there. For this article, we have identified some of the most popular and then a few of the ones less likely to be found at your local gun or sporting goods store. Below are ten choices for excellent defensive rounds.
Black Hills HoneyBadger 100-Grain +P
This revolutionary design from Black Hills bucked the hollowpoint trend with a fluted configuration designed to create a 2-inch-wide cavity and rely less on projectile spread and more on the pressure system created by the four wings on a cross-shaped bullet to improve penetration. Rather than relying on expansion, the 115-grain bullet from Lehigh Defense delivers massive wound trauma with a design that can't get clogged by clothing or debris.
Velocity: 1,250 fps
Energy: 347 ft.-lbs.
Black Hills 115-Grain +P JHP
A standard hollowpoint architecture, Black Hills' 115-grain bullet tends to come to rest closer the 12-inch end of the penetration spectrum, but that could be good, as it reduces the risk of over penetration. As a result, this Black Hills load is a wise consideration for use in crowded or confined areas like homes or apartment buildings.
Velocity: 1,250 fps
Energy: 399 ft.-lbs.
Hornady American Gunner 124-Grain +P XTP
Designed for hunting, self-defense, and law enforcement applications, Hornady's XTP bullet is also the choice of many top competitive shooters around the world. It's highly accurate, provides reliable expansion on target, and penetrates to desirable depths. Solid bullet construction with precise loadings from Hornady make this an ideal option for personal defense.
Velocity: 1,200 fps
Energy: 396 ft.-lbs.
Federal Premium HST 124-Grain JHP
Federal’s pre-skived bullet tip causes the HST bullet to expand into large petals, causing a large wound cavity. The design of this bullet forces the lead petals open during expansion to protect the copper petals behind them. This has become one of the most popular defense rounds for the 9 mm, and with good reason.
Velocity: 1,150 fps
Energy: 364 ft.-lbs.
Winchester PDX1 Defender 124-Grain +P JHP
Long known more for their hunting rounds, Winchester is certainly not a novice at defensive ammo. The Winchester Defender may not be the fastest load on the list, but it will certainly get the job done.
Velocity: 1,000 fps
Energy: 275 ft.-lbs.
SIG Sauer Elite 124-Grain V-Crown
Compared to other brands, SIG is fairly new to the ammunition business, but they are no stranger to excellent firearms. In what time they've introduced ammo to the market, it's quickly become known for accuracy and reliability across a wide range of applications. The Elite V-Crown features a stacked hollowpoint design for maximum weight retention during penetration, making it optimal for defense purposes.
Velocity: 1,165 fps
Energy: 374 ft.-lbs.
Hornady Critical Defense 115-Grain FTX
Unlike a typical hollowpoint, Hornady's FTX stuffs a rubber plug inside the cavity that Hornady claim helps reduce clogging when the projectile flies through clothing and other soft barriers, allowing better flowering of the bullet inside the target. Little wonder this design has become popular among personal defense students and law enforcement officials.
Velocity: 1,125 fps
Energy: 323 ft.-lbs.
Magtech Guardian Gold 115-Grain JHP
Czech-made Magtech has quickly grown to one of the most trusted and reliable names in the ammunition business. The Guardian Gold has shown in ballistic tests to penetrate between 14 and 16 inches for good performance well within the FBI test protocol.
Velocity: 1,246 fps
Energy: 396 ft.-lbs.
Speer Gold Dot Carry Gun 135-Grain GDHP
An uncommon weight, the 135-grain Speer Gold Dot found its niche in short barrel applications in both law enforcement and civilian self-defense. Similar to Hornady rounds, Speer added an elastomer core to aid in penetration and spread inside the target.
Velocity: 1,120 fps
Energy: 376 ft.-lbs.
Federal Personal Defense Punch 124-Grain JHP
By fashioning a casing out of nickel-plated brass and a primer seal, Federal has created a defensive round with a reputation for reliable service, even in shorter barrel firearms typically found in the concealed carry world. This is one of the newer defense loads available for the 9 mm, but it certainly has all the promise and pedigree of a Federal defense round.
Velocity: 1,150 fps
Energy: 364 ft.-lbs.
I have a number of these (love sales!) - I would love to do my own ballistics gel testing, since I am a bit of a scientific nerd.
What is seemingly hard to find are videos that compare offerings by the same company...ie. difference between Federal Punch, Hydra Shok, HST Tactical, HST Personal Defense, HST Personal Defense +P, Syntech Defense, etc. on the same video.
What seems to be quite interesting is that the Gold Dot G2 appears to be universally panned. Whereas there seems to be overwhelming consensus about the consistent performance of the Hornady Critical Duty / Critical Defense. Sig Sauer V-Crown - not sure - again, just picked it up on sale in .40.
Many of these rounds above being pistol rounds are tested on pistols on YouTube videos, but there isn't a whole lot on the performance of these being run out of PCCs. Would be curious for a comparison video.
I found the best results I had were the 147g over the 124 and 115. I mainly shot blazer and reloads but scored well enough in ipsc. Play around with weights when you are trying out a few different ones. Tend to be a buck or two more a box if you can find them these days though. Federal, winchester, s&b all fired when I pulled the trigger too.
Pardon the late response G, it would be quite interesting to see the side by side comparisons in regards to Cavity expansion, penetration depth, and to see if any tumbling occurred. Although in certain situations ie; apt/home you don't want a round that will penetrate much in fear of exiting into adjacent room. Nothing wrong with Scientific Curiosity.
I believe the reason behind the few video reviews of PCC with defensive ammo is that they're just not popular enough for home defense, that being said with the rise in popularity and competition that could very well change in the future, example; LWRC AMG 45.
Now if only our back yards were in America.
Pardon the late response G, it would be quite interesting to see the side by side comparisons in regards to Cavity expansion, penetration depth, and to see if any tumbling occurred. Although in certain situations ie; apt/home you don't want a round that will penetrate much in fear of exiting into adjacent room. Nothing wrong with Scientific Curiosity.
I believe the reason behind the few video reviews of PCC with defensive ammo is that they're just not popular enough for home defense, that being said with the rise in popularity and competition that could very well change in the future, example; LWRC AMG 45.
Now if only our back yards were in America.
I hear ya, my friend...it seems like with everything else, there seems to be a plethora of different views online about defensive weapons. The PCC does seem to be overall well regarded in terms of what works for everyone from beginner to intermediate and seems to have score well in terms of size, type of rounds (usually 9mm is discussed), lower probability of problems, easier to aim in high stress situations, etc. I do agree that ultimately the best thing a person can do is just practice with their defensive weapon, whatever it is. But of course, no one is supposed to have a defensive weapon in Canada, according to the government...
Back to the 9mm topic...there is such variation in grains and types of ammo, not to mention the +P types. Probably the only way to find out what is "best" for one's gun is just to try out various rounds. I have generally had a negative opinion about Winchester white box rounds as they have historically jammed more than average in some of my guns, but then in others, they feed perfectly. Go figure...
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Of all the ammo I’ve shot, I will say Geco runs the cleanest
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