Best "quiver" from the 308 family?
- Thread starter buckchaser
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243 Win for varmits - yotes-wolves and smaller deer
7mm-08 Rem for larger deer - sheep- goat -black bear
338 Federal for elk-moose -g bears
JMO
RJ
7mm-08 Rem for larger deer - sheep- goat -black bear
338 Federal for elk-moose -g bears
JMO
RJ
YES! What he said.
I have owned or shot them all. Currently I only have the 308 and 358, but plan on adding the rest again soon and then not breaking up the family again!
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Seems to me that Ackley thought highly of the .277-08, as for me, I think anything that can be done with the .308 family can be done better with the .284 family or for that matter the .30/06 family . . . with the exception of being fired in AR style rifles.
I have both a 338 FED and a 358 WIN the 338 has a MUCH better bullet selection weather its Factory loads or bullets to handload - also much better SD's and BC's !
RJ
I have several 308 Winchester rifles: Win model 100, Rem 700 VTR, Rem model 7 (18 1/2" bbl), Baikal IZH 94 (12 gauge/308 Win), BLR 81, Savage model 11.
Needless to say I'm very fond of the 308 Winchester caliber.
I don't have any of the daughter calibers (243, 7mm-08, 358 Win).
Why mess with perfection?
Needless to say I'm very fond of the 308 Winchester caliber.
I don't have any of the daughter calibers (243, 7mm-08, 358 Win).
Why mess with perfection?
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
If you cant knock down a big deer with a 260 , you have some issues
I have both a 338 FED and a 358 WIN the 338 has a MUCH better bullet selection weather its Factory loads or bullets to handload - also much better SD's and BC's !
I much prefer the 358 over the 338 for a couple reasons.
First, if I want to load jacketed I can find a more than adequate bullet selection for my needs, especially nowadays with bullet shortages as the big demand for bullets seems to be for .30 cal. and under.
Secondly, I have a wicked cast bullet for both my 358 and my Whelen .... its a short, blunt nosed 280 + gr. gas check cast from an ancient Lyman mould.
Lubed with my own highly secret concoction I can drive it to very respectable velocities in either gun and it has proven to be a superb killer.
I'm sorry but I do not buy into the SD / BC debate... Why, because I don't need to.
Either one or both of my .35 cals could do the job for me without ever having to buy a store-bought bullet...
So, that clearly settles the debate in your shop... doesn't do much to settle the debate in anyone else's shop and certainly not on CGN... but IMO it is a pointless debate anyway... pick the one that grabs your attention and go with it... it is just splitting hairs.
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
Worse thungs to debate , like 222 for moose for example
Maybe you might want to reconsider the .338 Federal as I think it is about to become a obsolete cartridge, I don't know why.
Has anyone had any safety problems with this calibre? I am wondering why Federal has discontinued two factory loads and why Sako, Tikka, Kimber, Ruger and Thompson Center have stopped the manufacturing of rifles in the 338 Federal. Now Midway USA has listed that Federal has discontinued new brass, and apparently new .338 Federal ammo has disappeared off the gunshop shelves!
Has anyone had any safety problems with this calibre? I am wondering why Federal has discontinued two factory loads and why Sako, Tikka, Kimber, Ruger and Thompson Center have stopped the manufacturing of rifles in the 338 Federal. Now Midway USA has listed that Federal has discontinued new brass, and apparently new .338 Federal ammo has disappeared off the gunshop shelves!
My guess is that is has more to do with sales. I know it is a great caliber, most are in fact, but I know NO ONE that owns one of these in any rifle. I have only come across one in a Tikka T3 loaned to me to try out by another CGN'r here. Great gun and cartridge, just nothing that my 358 win couldn't already do and has been doing for 60 years.
This is all pointless debate any ways, the 308 has spawned some awesome chamberings, just grab the one that tickles your fancy and run with it. Dead is dead and no dead deer ever debated the usefulness of the cartridge that killed it.
All of the incarnations of the 7.62 Nato development have their merits except the 338 Fed.........I own all of them including a 22-243 and soon to be a 23-243, of them all, the only one that I actually use is the 243 and have 5 rifles so chambered. They are fun calibers though and brass is very abundant and cheap.
The 338 Fed is an already obsolete non-starter, the bullets in this caliber were never designed to expand properly at these reduced velocities and still function at 340 and 338 Lap velocities........the trend in the 33 cals is towards bigger cases and higher velocities, not reduced velocities from mini cases..........the bullet manufacturers killed the Fed offering and are catering to the 338 Edge/Wby/Lap/378 crowd where the sales volume is, not to the 12 people who bought the orphan Fed cartridge.
The 358 has been too long filling the same niche with good bullets for the velocity attained that expand well at these reduced velocities and are proven to be excellent killers in the hands of the experienced hunters that use them. Just as in the US elections right now, it's very, very tough to beat a 60 year incumbent that has been doing a good job the whole time.
The 338 Fed is an already obsolete non-starter, the bullets in this caliber were never designed to expand properly at these reduced velocities and still function at 340 and 338 Lap velocities........the trend in the 33 cals is towards bigger cases and higher velocities, not reduced velocities from mini cases..........the bullet manufacturers killed the Fed offering and are catering to the 338 Edge/Wby/Lap/378 crowd where the sales volume is, not to the 12 people who bought the orphan Fed cartridge.
The 358 has been too long filling the same niche with good bullets for the velocity attained that expand well at these reduced velocities and are proven to be excellent killers in the hands of the experienced hunters that use them. Just as in the US elections right now, it's very, very tough to beat a 60 year incumbent that has been doing a good job the whole time.
Wrong Way
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
not a good example that thread was a bait ... if you know the man lol ...
