best scope for 7.62x39

Cheers, that's what I'm hoping for with mine. I want to be able to put things back to original if I feel like it but have it function normally. Did you bother with the bolt mod for drop free mag changes with a closed bolt?

Nope. I'm kind of a low speed high drag kind of guy ;) That SKS is really set up to be a good, rugged, grocery getter and coyote gun. High speed mag changes aren't really a big deal for that.

But that's why I use my AR for 3 gun (well, that and LAR/Beowulf mags). Practical accuracy - off hand and moving quickly - an SKS is plenty accurate enough to hit IPSC targets. With the lower recoil of an AR, a good muzzle brake, drop free mags, I can edge time off with an AR. Sadly, can't take the AR out for deer or coyotes, but x39 is a WAY better deer cartridge, and if I'm shooting coyotes, I'm shooting them to solve a problem, not for the pelt, so x39 wins there as well.

grelmar , what reticle do you have on your Vomz Pilad 1.5-6x ?

I can't seem to find whether their mildot reticle has mildot turrets .....

Great tip on the scope. Have to check into this one.

Duplex reticles. I don't like "busy" scopes. But that's very much a personal preference. 1/4 MOA clicks on the turrets.
 
I am considering modding the ejection window on the receiver - maybe changing the angle would help prevent the stovepipes. can you please post the picture of the angle and describe to what extent this mode has impacted the trajectory of the spent cases?

I found out about the mod through one of the stickys in this forum http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/603359-Helpful-hints-to-DIY-for-Red-Rifles I had a GEN 1 Magwedge rail for a while, it caused stove pipes like 1/20rnds ! but then i added the provided strip of Velcro to the deflector portion of the rail, and the stovepipes occurred maybe 1/100rnds after that...... The Wartak rail i had did the same thing, (maybe 1/80rnds) ; unfortunately i did the receiver mod after I switched over to the POSP's.

The Magwedge/Wartak rails are great, especially if you want to keep your SKS reversible. But in terms of functionality, the permanent side rails bring the SKS to a totally new league.
 
The Magwedge/Wartak rails are great, especially if you want to keep your SKS reversible. But in terms of functionality, the permanent side rails bring the SKS to a totally new league.

I agree. Just trying to find a very low sitting side rail to get a reasonable cheek weld.
 
You can buy 7.62x39 POSP's.... but the most magnification they offer is 6x, i have a 2.5-5x 7.62x39 reticle POSP for my VZ 58 , all of mine are SVD mounts, the AK mounts are harder to come by and make the scope sit much higher above the bore. Ejected brass hitting the scope doesnt seem to be an issue for the SKS. But just to be extra sure, id dremeled out the ejection window on the reciever which makes the casings fly out very low. The mag release is made by " sevensixtwo systems.ca " .

How hard is it to attach the side mount to the receiver? Who carries the POSP's in Canada? I will definitly be checking these out.
 
You can buy side mounts that bolt into your SKS's receiver.... but that requires you to drill holes in the SKS receiver and tap them. I personally prefer to weld them. The trickiest part is lining up the mount so it is level with the bore of the gun. The difficulty depends on how savy the installer is with metal work, and their access to tools i guess.

Westrifle.ca , Eastwave.ca and Kremlin Optics seem to be the only places in Canada that actively stock POSPs . Corwin Arms sometimes has POSPs as well
 
Bushnell LRS 10x 40mm SFP - about $300 new, $200 on the EE fairly regularly.

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I have been able to find only one retailer in north america that caries the Tula EST (as pictured above) It is US based kalinka.com
The price is exorbitant at almost 140 USD for the EST weaver and one would also need the mounting rail which is extra (and they don't ship to Canada saying that "they are not allowed to do so").
 
Nope. I'm kind of a low speed high drag kind of guy ;) That SKS is really set up to be a good, rugged, grocery getter and coyote gun. High speed mag changes aren't really a big deal for.

I tend to look at it that way too, I guess if it becomes a need to have a drop free mag on a closed bolt I'll pick up a Chinese bolt or stripped bolt body from lever to grind away on and do the mod, I won't feel bad doing it if I can keep the original parts intact.
 
I have been able to find only one retailer in north america that caries the Tula EST (as pictured above) It is US based kalinka.com
The price is exorbitant at almost 140 USD for the EST weaver and one would also need the mounting rail which is extra (and they don't ship to Canada saying that "they are not allowed to do so").

Ive seen East Wave or possibly Corwin Arms (cant remember who) have this mount in stock before (maybe give them a PM) : http://kalinkaoptics.com/firearm-accessories/mounts/bp-02-universal-to-weaver-mount-ultra-low-profile-centered.html This combined with the appropriate side mount could sit very low to your receiver depending on where you bolted the side mount to. Plus you could still utilize the quick detach lever. Appose to the bolt system of the EST rails.

But I doubt you will be able to rig up a mount system that will result in your scope sitting any lower than it already does on a magwedge rail.... Your cheek weld problem appears to lie with your stock, being a folder, it just doesnt offer any cheek weld to begin with. IMO
 
But I doubt you will be able to rig up a mount system that will result in your scope sitting any lower than it already does on a magwedge rail.... Your cheek weld problem appears to lie with your stock, being a folder, it just doesnt offer any cheek weld to begin with. IMO

If I find a side rail which would match the hight of magwedge rail I would be satisfied. The dragunov cheek raiser on top of the folder makes the cheek weld acceptable. But in order to match the height on a side mounted rail it must be detachable (that is to be POSP style) or one wouldn't be able to take out / reinsert the bolt carrier when field stripping the rifle. I will keep looking - thanks for the tip on the other model.
 
You can buy 7.62x39 POSP's.... but the most magnification they offer is 6x, i have a 2.5-5x 7.62x39 reticle POSP for my VZ 58 , all of mine are SVD mounts, the AK mounts are harder to come by and make the scope sit much higher above the bore. Ejected brass hitting the scope doesnt seem to be an issue for the SKS. But just to be extra sure, id dremeled out the ejection window on the reciever which makes the casings fly out very low. The mag release is made by " sevensixtwo systems.ca " .

Where can I find 7.62x39 (Simonov) calibrated POSP's in 6x? I have only been able to find 4x which has prevented me from getting one.
 
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have a few other questions as the POSP line of scopes is a bit confusing:

1) I understand the rangefinder on either the 7.62x54R SVD reticle (1000m) and the 7.62x39 Simonov (400m) work with any calibre... clearly. But what about the additional holdover chevrons for bullet drop at different ranges. If I use a x54R reticle on an SKS for example will those extra chevrons be useless to me or would they still work? (For example this website says yes they are inter-compatible with either round: http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/rifle_scopes.htm)

Can I use an SVD x54R reticle on an SKS or is it just a waste as I won't be able to utilize the additional bullet drop chevrons?

2) One requirement I have in purchasing/mounting a POSP scope on my SKS (planning to put it in a Choate Dragunov style stock) is being able to utilize the iron sights if needed.
There are several options that will affect the height of the scope and whether or not using the iron sights is possible (ie. SVD vs AK mounts as I'm told the AK mounts are much higher, also a 24mm vs 42mm objective lense as the larger diameter scope leaves less room to use the iron sights)? I understand that one can mount either an SVD or AK rail to the receiver which means either mount is an option. So would mounting a 42mm scope with an SVD mount not leave enough room to use the iron sights? Conversely, would using a 24mm scope with AK mounts be way too high? Or would a 42mm with AK mounts be ideal?

*Of course all of this is a moot point if I go with a 400m Simonov reticle as it appears those are only available in 4x24*

3) I asked in an earlier post already but does anyone know if they offer a POSP with a 400m Simonov reticle with 6x magnification?

4) What magnification is best in your opinion if mounting on an SKS? 4x or 6x?

Thank you very much for any input and thoughts on these questions. :)
 
1) Ive heard that rumor too, but it personally does not seem possible to me because the 54r chevrons are spaced out quite abit, and the POSP/PO/PSO's tend to be single focal plane scopes (so its not like you can adjust the zoom to make it match up)... I believe the 54r reticle chevrons are to be used only after your elevation dial (marked in meter's) has been maxed out; then the chevrons equate to 1100, 1200, 1300 and so forth. I doubt there is any compatibility between the ballistics but have yet to try it.

2) Id stick to the SVD style side plates ( A rail that has a groove/void up the middle, and some sort of stopper piece machined into the barrel end of the plate) , They work with POSP/PO/PSO's that have SVD or Universal style Clamps on the bottom.
An SVD style side plate like this
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(this one may require machining out the metal in the groove to allow some scope stoppers to slide down the middle)

or this
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or the one i used for my SKS
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(I notice the stopper on the barrel end is missing in the picture for some reason)

With these mounts, you could most likely utilize every style of POSP/PO/PSO available in Canada, But i would be wary about weather or not the POSPs with AK style clamps (the clamps that elevate the scopes higher) would attach properly. I wouldnt use them anyways because they are designed for the very tall receivers of AK platform rifles, in result they appear to sit ridiculously high on every Red rifle in Canada (ive never owned this style, but ive seen pictures of them). An SVD side plate bolted to your SKS at the right level on the receiver will be able to equip both 24 and 42mm obj scopes, and keep your irons free, but there will be that fine line where the 42 will sit just right, but then the 24 will look slightly high. Having the 24 sit low and getting an AK style elevated clamp 42 that works with the SVD side plate may work out, but it could also result in the 42 sitting to high Idk. Id match the side mount so the 42 sits just at a barely tolerable height, which should make a 24 sit alright. Getting complicated there. Keep in mind the scopes hang out to the left far enough that it is hard for them to actually obstruct your irons anyways, if mounted low enough, the Obj lens will hit the left corner of your SKS's rear leaf sight before it will obstruct the view.

4) Depends on what you use your SKS for, Mine i use for coyote hunting 1-300yrds, I like to identify targets and sweep the scenery long distances away so i enjoy having all the magnification i can get. If i take the gun into the bush, i just slip the POSP off into my pack and use the irons, or if im scoping and a rabbit runs out from the bush underneath me, i'll press tight on my cheek weld and use the irons with the POSP still attached. I plan on using my SKS for 3-gun or run and gun competitions in the years to come, so I may buy a PK-A red dot for that just because i hate using the SKS's irons.

The world of details behind the POSP/PO/PSO's is a confusing one, with many different opinions and very little sound information to go off of. This is just my interpretation of what ive come to learn from collecting up a pool of opinions and what ive come across researching, buying and mounting the 3 side mount scopes that i currently own.
 
Thanks so much for your in depth reply warrenlikesboats!

So it sounds like I should just stick to the Simonov 400m reticle as it would be pointless to put a scope that has extra holdover chevrons for x54R and a rangefinder out to 1000m+. Given that there are no 42mm scopes that come with a Simonov 400m reticle I guess I'm restricted to a 24mm lense. This is helping to narrow it down :)

Do you know if there is any 6x POSP scopes with the Simonov reticle? (Sorry for the repeat question)

Do you think the variable power scopes are worth the extra $$$? (The only one with a 400m Simonov reticle is 2.5-5x24)

It's clear to me now that it doesn't make sense to use AK style mounts on the SKS, but which of the three styles of SVD rails is best?
 
The one that I used on my sks is fairly good, you can bolt it or weld it, it hangs left and low off from from your receiver which allows room for your stock to slip under. I prefer the variable power scopes. However the reticle rangfinder that comes with the 2.5-5 is calibrated for targets 1m only, where as the 4x is calibrated for 1.7m I believe.
 
The one that I used on my sks is fairly good, you can bolt it or weld it, it hangs left and low off from from your receiver which allows room for your stock to slip under. I prefer the variable power scopes. However the reticle rangfinder that comes with the 2.5-5 is calibrated for targets 1m only, where as the 4x is calibrated for 1.7m I believe.

Would you be able to post a couple of pics?
 
Would you be able to post a couple of pics?

The SVD style side rail (included with the PO's scopes that Westrifle sells; they are also available for individual purchase)

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That same rail, with drill/tap portion cut off, and welded to the left side of my SKS's receiver. I cut a rectangular piece of 1/8" (i think) steel and welded it as a spacer between the rail and the receiver in order to keep the side rail tight to the Archangel stock.

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Iron sight view looking under the PO 3-9x24mm

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Iron sight view looking under PO 6x36mm

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SKS with POSP 2.5-5x24mm w/ 400m SKS reticle equipped

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SKS with PO 3-9x24mm equipped (with objective lens sun shape deployed)

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SKS with PO 6x36mm equipped

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Vomz Pilad 1.5-6x

I have one on my SKS/Deer rifle. Russian made, it can take a pounding without concern. I leave it set to 1.5x when I'm out walking so I can make quick snap shots, and at low power it has unbelievably generous eye relief. I can dial it up to 6x for good shot placement if I need to reach out a bit. Given that I consider x39 (and 5.56, for that matter) to be "200 yard" cartridges for all practical purposes (I've gone as far as 400 at the range, but that's range shooting, not practical shooting), 6x is more than enough magnification.

I liked it so much, that I got another one for my AR for 3 gun matches.

I bought a Vortex for one of my hunting rifles. It's not a mistake I'll repeat.

The Vomz glass is clearer, has easier eye relief, works better under a wider variety of light conditions...

Vortex optics are spectacularly over-rated, IMHO.

The Vomz scope costs about $300, last time I bought one. I'm not a fan of their entire line of scopes, but these ones in particular are very well made.

Cheers.

Huh, might have to pick one of those up. I've been looking for an affordable, robust 1-6 or 1.5-6 for a DMR build. I don't see it on the website - is it an illuminated optic?
 
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