BEST scope for a CZ452 16" (money no object)

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in anticipation of my new cz 452 16" arriving soon what is the best scope for it..

need something in the 2.5 to 10X magnification range. compact, so 40mm or less objective, preferably 32mm or so..

and parallax free at 50m or so...

im a believer in putting good glass on my rifles.. it seems only here in north america do people spend $1000's on a rifle and then only a few hundred on a scope.. in europe its the opposite. glass is nearly always more than the rifle.

schmidt bender would be my first choice but they dont do many compact scopes, unless fixed power..

the night force 2.5-10x32 looks good but the parallax is fixed at 100m.. and id rather buy european than USA made..

any suggestions? and please dont say leupold...
 
Well, for one thing its a 22lr. That said I put a Nikon Prostaff on mine and I really like the optics. My old eyes can see clear as a bell. I have a Leupie III on my 30-06 and a Nikon Monarch 6-16 on my CZ527 but thats a cf 223. I think the Nikon is one of the best deals out there and apparently in the US the Nikon and Leupie are both considered top guns. I have been wearing Nikon lenses only in my glasses for a long time because I trust their optics. They may even be better than the Leupie as they have an awful lot of experiece in that field. Ask any photographer.
 
Kahles are supposed to be very nice from what I have heard. This quote is from OpticsPlanet, but I think WSS carries them.

Kahles Rifle Scopes is the oldest rifle scope manufacturer in the world. - Beginning in 1898, Karl Robert Kahles manufactured, by hand, one of the first rifle scopes. Working in his "Optical Manufactory" located in Vienna, Austria, it did not take long before the new device became very well known among hunters everywhere and gained a very strong reputation. The Kahles family managed and ran the company until 1974. With no heir in the family to take over the company, an ailing Fredrich Kahles sold the business to his friend Daniel Swarovski. From 1974 through 1988 Kahles was a subsidary of Swarovski. In 1989, Kahles Limited G.M.B.H. was registered as an independent company within the Swarovski Optik Group.

Now marketed in the United States as a brand within the Swarovski Optik North American product line, Kahles products have a Lifetime Warranty, are price competitive and offer the consumer many new riflescope models!
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FYI I shoot my CZ452 a lot too-thats why I put the Nikon on it. My sense is that they are fairly underrated because Bushnell and Leupold get most of the press as they are better advertised. Go to a shop and have a look thru the glass on a sunny day and better if it is a bit cloudy. You will know soon enough what is good for you. Just dont go too crazy and get a high end centrefire scope instead. There are some fairly significant differences. Check them all out and look thru every one. You will likely see some real difference in the glass and that is really what it is all about. Too easy to get caught up in all the technical. Another thing too is that it is a lot easier to get a real good single power scope and you dont have to worry about losing point of aim when you change the magnification. Had a Bushnell variable do that to me.
 
I have a Leupold VXII 4-12x40AO on my Sako Quad and really like it. For strictly paper punching, I would go with the 6-18AO. The Leupold's really are nice scopes if you have ever used one.
 
I have a leupold FX-II 2.5X20mm ultra light which is the cats ass for rimfire.

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i'm sorry guys, i have to disagree.. leupolds are junk compared to the type of scope im talking about.. they are over rated "be patriotic, buy american"..

ive used S&B and similar scopes for years.. and im not interested in going down in quality..

nikons are good for the money, and better than leupold, but in a totally different league to schmidt bender or similar..

as for loosing point of aim when changing power, thats why i want a quality scope, as that simply doesnt happen.

i want no more than about 10x or 12x mag, but would like variable as it will be a field gun, not a benchrest target gun..

i really cant see why people will spend a lot on a rifle, then cheap out on the glass.. and yes it might only be a rimfire. but you look in europe people use these quality scopes on air rifles.. because the more you shoot something the more you appreciate good glass..

right now the S&B 3-12x42 is the best of the S&B scopes i can see. but would ideally like something a little smaller..

so, any suggestions. and please no leupolds..
 
You have a gun that is capible of shooting extreemly well, my friend shoots one at range we belong to. Its a one hole gun at 50 y and under 1' groups I have seen him shoot at 100y in good conditions,with premium ammo like eley and others.
To do this kind of shooting you must have A/O on your scope of choice. I have a nightforce 8by 32 but scope is way to heavy for 22 rim fire.
Living in Canada it would be pretty hard not look at Leupold with service they supply & resale value they retain,and for money they will fill your needs very well there VX3 series are pretty sharp optic's.
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rimfire scope

I believe Kahles still makes a 2x7 that is specific to the 22lr, parallax set for 50m I think, it is a very nice scope. I know that you don't want north american, but I have had very good luck with the Burris compact series on rimfires. Compact 4xAO, Hunter benchrest 6x, and compact 4x12. I totally agree about the quality of scope that should go on a 22lr.
 
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I believe Kahles still makes a 2x7 that is specific to the 22lr, parallax set for 50m I think, it is a very nice scope. I know that you don't want north american, but I have had very good luck with the Burris compact series on rimfires. Compact 4xAO, Hunter benchrest 6x, and compact 4x12. I totally agree about the quality of scope that should go on a 22lr.
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problem is with burris most of them are now made in the phillipines i think.

the parallax isnt a great issue, as most high end scopes can have the parallax setting adjusted at the factory or repair centre.

Kahles would be OK. but not many places carry them.. WSS doesnt have a great selection.
 
crunchiespg said:
i'm sorry guys, i have to disagree.. leupolds are junk compared to the type of scope im talking about.. they are over rated "be patriotic, buy american"..

ive used S&B and similar scopes for years.. and im not interested in going down in quality..

nikons are good for the money, and better than leupold, but in a totally different league to schmidt bender or similar..

as for loosing point of aim when changing power, thats why i want a quality scope, as that simply doesnt happen.

i want no more than about 10x or 12x mag, but would like variable as it will be a field gun, not a benchrest target gun..

i really cant see why people will spend a lot on a rifle, then cheap out on the glass.. and yes it might only be a rimfire. but you look in europe people use these quality scopes on air rifles.. because the more you shoot something the more you appreciate good glass..

right now the S&B 3-12x42 is the best of the S&B scopes i can see. but would ideally like something a little smaller..

so, any suggestions. and please no leupolds..
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S&B scopes are very durable, but if you want the best in optical clairity, you have to go to Zeiss, specifically the Victory Diavari line (I think the 6-24X56 is the only one that focuses down to 50 yards). (The conquest line is still very good. German glass, but made in the USA. Meant to compete with the Leupold, nikon, Nightforce, etc.). If you really want the best you can look at the Hensdolt line; the mil spec version of the Victory Diavari, same clairity, but the durability of S&B and USO. TSE carries them. The Victory Diavari line can be found at most major sporting good outlets.

I agree, leupold is majorly overated. Not too clear at all.

But if you have that kind of money to put down on a scope, I'd consider upgrading to an anshutz first.
 
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