Best semi auto rifle of ww2

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I gotta say that I hang out mostly here in the milsurp forum. I find the people here to be very knowledgable and very giving. Every morning I wake up poor my coffee and right to the milsurp section I go.

But lately I'm a little put off by what titles I read.

I've been waiting for a thread titled "which milsurp smells the most like farts when fired?"

I personally am getting turned off by all of the ridiculous and childish thread topics on this forum. I'm sure there's many others that feel the same way??

I'm sure I'll get flamed by someone for this observation!!

I just calls it like I sees it!!:)

For the record, I'd say the garand is my vote for a good semi auto ww2 rifle. I haven't shot the others in question so I have to choose between the guns I've shot!!
 
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Agreed Sharps. But facts, figures, and history books can help form a rational opinion. But in the absolute end, it will always just be an opinion.

I also agree with tinman, alot of lame childish threads lately.
This is what we get when people start collecting the guns they saw on call of duty.
 
the M1 garand by far is the best. the action is still being made and still used by the US military in the M14/ M1A socom rifles and Ruger makes the mini 14. there is no question. who uses the K43 or the svt-40 action right now? no one.
 
The SVT-40 action was sourced from the same place as the basic action of the AG-42(B): the basic Saive patent of 1936.

Dieudonne Saive escaped from Belgium in 1940, taking with him his working model and drawings. At Enfield, this was engineered into the SLEM, in 8x57. When Saive went back to Belgium at the end of the war. the essential SLEM was put into production as the SAFN-49 which then was re-engineered into th FN-FAL.

It sees current service in close to 50 countries, is in manufacture in Argentina, Belgium, the USA and doubtless a couple I have not yet heard of. India still has a plant's worth of tooling for it as well. The fact that I think it would have been a better rifle in 7mm 2Op dos not stop a whole bunch of countries from disagreeing with me.

Kar-43 used the basic Kjellman flap-lock system which showed up in the Degtyarev LMG. There are surely enough of those still in service around the world to suggest that it could have a few things going for it.
 
After a sober second thought I'm starting to re-think my post about why folks really visit these forums. Consider the following recent threads ranked by numbers of views;

Boob job & MILSURPs combined with Cabelas and Post Falls strip club - 4498

BLO test -4459 (runner up)

Best semi-auto WW2 - 2696

MILSURPs in movies - 2131

The quest for knowledge still seems to be ahead of the pursuit of entertainment by a whisker.;)
 
purple said:
After a sober second thought I'm starting to re-think my post about why folks really visit these forums. Consider the following recent threads ranked by numbers of views;

Boob job & MILSURPs combined with Cabelas and Post Falls strip club - 4498

BLO test -4459 (runner up)

Best semi-auto WW2 - 2696

MILSURPs in movies - 2131

The quest for knowledge still seems to be ahead of the pursuit of entertainment by a whisker.;)
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There's still a few of us youngsters (30 somethings) who are very interested in learning from the old-timers.

Case in point I do the 5-6 hour round trip as often as possible just to go to Smellies place to yak about milsurps, history and life in general. Don't loose faith in us all :)


Steve
 
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The comments of a bunch of armchair small arms experts don't carry much weight in a serious discussion on the topic. It has been my experience that most gung-ho camo-crazy types and military arms collectors have never worn a uniform and most would not make the cut as a professional soldier.

I was a serving soldier for 12 years, but as a Cold War Warrior, never fired a shot in anger. Therefore, any opinion I may have is based on limited experience, most of it gained on the rifle range, some in the field under arctic to sandbox conditions playing war games under simulated battle conditions - i.e. no one was shooting back!

As a civilian, I have owned an FN49, two Garands and any military bolt action you care to name, shooting them in competition, sometimes against modern scoped bolt action rifles. I've taken the largest Mule Deer I've shot to date with a Garand.

Regrettably, the only combat vets I've known were the Sr. NCO's I knew as a young soldier, some of whom had been in the fighting in Normandy, Korea and the Suez Invasion. The latter were Brit paras I met through the Rhine Army Parachute Association in NW Europe.

The only gun any of them disparaged was the Sten, particularly by those that were re-equipped with them, having to turn in their Thompson .45 SMG's. They all had respect for the arms of their enemies and their ability to use them.
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12 years during the Cold War!!!! Did you wear the blue helmet and ride around in the white UN trucks? Or were a army regular in Germany? Must have had a few stressful times being on full alert thinking its going to happen. Where were the hottest women? I have been around and to be honest Canada has the hottest women with montana and Minnesota close second and third.
 
Nelson84, I really wish you would do just a little less mocking and a little more learning.

For your information, there are a lot of us old Cold War types on here..... and most of us are still p*ssd about it. It was the war we were not allowed to fight, not allowed to win OR lose. All we could do was sit back and watch as it chewed up our friends and comrades in engagements all over the world: proxy wars in which the only thing REAL was the casualty list. There were proxy wars all over the map. Angola was one of them, Mozambique another, Rhodesia another, Congo another and the whole series of wars in the Far East (Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, insurrection in Thailand, revolution in Burma and a few others)..... and another in Central America.

The best thing that the guys with the big brains could come up with was MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction. Russia was popping off nukes like the things were free, capping it all with a 67 megaton bomb blast, which is the equal of 134,000,000,000 pounds of TNT going off, all in one huge bang. ONE pound of TNT, properly set, under your car will move it half a block and scatter pieces as far as half a mile away.

There was almost World War Three over the IRBMs and nukes in Cuba...... and we were expected to be able to fight T-55s with our antique Shermans. The ONLY time the blast-doors at the Bunker at CFB Shilo were EVER closed, was 51 years ago next week.

Canda had a population of 23 million; we figured on losing 14 million of those in the first 2 weeks, 7 million (Vancouver, Montreal, Winnipeg, Toronto) in the first 5 minutes.

It was nothing to laugh at...... and your laughing is NOT appreciated.

Grow up a bit, learn a lot.
 
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When I first joined CGN at the encouragement of my old militia buddy, I did so to learn from others, participate when I could, add to the knowledge of firearms and military history, and enjoy the camaraderie of other milsurp collectors and hunters.

There is a place for humour here and even disagreement.

But all this silly verbal jousting and the general lack of civility has made me less willing to hang out here on CGN, nevermind participate. As pointed out by purple, Tinman204, CanadianAR and others - some of the topic themes lately have really degenerated into nothing worth my time to read; much less post an opinion to.

Nelson84 - before you point fingers at others you should really look at yourself and what you contribute to this forum. Perhaps you don't care but eventually like others before you - you will either get banned or folks will just ignore you. You have an opportunity to build some good karma here which will perhaps benefit you in the future but not the way you're going about it right now.
 
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Nelson84, I really wish you would do just a little less mocking and a little more learning.

For your information, there are a lot of us old Cold War types on here..... and most of us are still p*ssd about it. It was the war we were not allowed to fight, not allowed to win OR lose. All we could do was sit back and watch as it chewed up our friends and comrades in engagements all over the world: proxy wars in which the only thing REAL was the casualty list. There were proxy wars all over the map. Angola was one of them, Mozambique another, Rhodesia another, Congo another and the whole series of wars in the Far East (Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, insurrection in Thailand, revolution in Burma and a few others)..... and another in Central America.

The best thing that the guys with the big brains could come up with was MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction. Russia was popping off nukes like the things were free, capping it all with a 67 megaton bomb blast, which is the equal of 134,000,000,000 pounds of TNT going off, all in one huge bang. ONE pound of TNT, properly set, under your car will move it half a block and scatter pieces as far as half a mile away.

There was almost World War Three over the IRBMs and nukes in Cuba...... and we were expected to be able to fight T-55s with our antique Shermans. The ONLY time the blast-doors at the Bunker at CFB Shilo were EVER closed, was 51 years ago next week.

Canda had a population of 23 million; we figured on losing 14 million of those in the first 2 weeks, 7 million (Vancouver, Montreal, Winnipeg, Toronto) in the first 5 minutes.

It was nothing to laugh at...... and your laughing is NOT appreciated.

Grow up a bit, learn a lot.
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When were Sherman's going up against T-55's? Israel did that not Canada. We're you even in the army? Canada rolled in centurions and then to the leopard 1 and now the leopard 2. Where did you get this Sherman thing? In Korea the Sherman went up against T-34. But Sherman's were mostly used for indirect fire. The Pershing tank went head to head with T-34. You are wrong and way off topic.
Telling me to grow up, you are the one ranting how tuff the Cold War was. A buddy of mine was stationed in Germany and Crete. He was a sniper. He never shot anybody and the biggest thing he had to do is learn how to water ski in the Mediterranean. You can lose the attitude. The last time I checked to be a member on this forum did not need to be in the military. I was busy in university and making a crap load of money to pay the bills in this country being an employer not with my feet up #####ing how tuff it was not to see combat. Guess what I never saw combat either.

Back to the main topic:

So far most forum members are saying the garand or the svt-40. My question is, has anybody tried a garand and a svt-40 head to head at the range? They both hold 10 shots. Garand needs that goofy little pong clip. I imagine the svt-40 works well in the cold, how is the garand?
 
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