Best Service Rifle Ever Made

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Please lets get a grip here, it's the rifle, Please price out a new one Well now it's a M98 and it's around 9000.00 bucks how much is a brand mew enfield worth, if there made! Ya that's right crow bars went out years ago Too Bad! (Weak Action) any way! You'll need ten shots anyway1
Please check your head space! OUT!
 
ok,that made sense. a new made Le Enfield is about $1000 form AIA and soon to be available here. it might be considered weak, but is perfectly adequate for the round is was designed for. how much power do you ned to drop deer, moose or axis infantrymen? as far as headspace fit and finish goes the Lee is superior, was made on quality equipment by skilled workers, not death camp inmates.
 
I smell trolls here.

A healthy discussion on the merits of service rifles is most welcome, but the initial post sure looks more like a challenge instead of an intelligent debate.

We can debate this issue in circles, but frankly, I don't find too many of the K98's in the National Service Conditions Championships. I'm scratching my distant memory for ANY K98's showing up in the Service Rifle matches at the Provincial or National level in Ontario...

On the lighter side, I have seen many SKS rifles turn up.
 
I'm biased and limited.....The only service rifles I have handled where the SMG, FNC1, FNC2 and M16A1 (when we went to play in Michigan) .. I loved My C2 but had no complaints with my issue C1 Either...

I seem to love things I can't have.. Story of my life...
 
Steiner said:
Bear,
Does this include women also? :confused:
Just

Absolutley... in my younger days I chased strippers and waitresses... Look up my other recent posts and see the posts about the crap going on with my kids...

Now my passions are still limited by funds, time, laws, physical ability, mental ability or restraints by others....
 
"the Best" Segice rifle ever made will change depending upon what criteria the choices are evaluated against.

(ie, years in service, mag capacity, reliability, cost, maintainability, etc., etc...)

A worthless venture to speculate on this.

FWIW, the K98 is a FINE hunting rifle. ;)
 
Based on grammar, spelling, and sentence structure, I sense a 13-year old.

But stick around, ps2, you'll learn lots here!

(Hmm, ps2 . . . . playstation2?)
 
true north said:
Sadly,I think he's not alone

I think you are correct. There seem to be several. It may be that they are in violation of CGN General Rule #4.
Racist remarks and symbols/pictograms that are commonly accepted as related to racist groups/Nazism/outlawed organizations. Nazi symbols are only exempted where they are displayed and discussed in historical context.

While not as well known to the common population,, the unique Divisional symbols of the SS Divisions used as avatars would seem to be in scope for this rule.

Perhaps some Moderators can comment on this.
 
Shelldrake said:
I think you are correct. There seem to be several. It may be that they are in violation of CGN General Rule #4.
Racist remarks and symbols/pictograms that are commonly accepted as related to racist groups/Nazism/outlawed organizations. Nazi symbols are only exempted where they are displayed and discussed in historical context.

While not as well known to the common population,, the unique Divisional symbols of the SS Divisions used as avatars would seem to be in scope for this rule.

Perhaps some Moderators can comment on this.
x2 makes a lot of sense.
 
A few mentioned this thread should be killed off....certainly, there is no focus here.

So allow me to indulge. Are we talking about a service rifle and its abilities on the job or a rifle with a military background. The K98 was great at its time and sparked generations of sporter users after the war....as can be said of the Enfields.

For the purpose of service rifle or assault rifle, I personally would have named a few like:

-AKs for the fact that they are cheap and reliable,
-M1s/M14s for their long history and continued use on the battle fields, along with their simplicity and reliability
-and for the hell of it, the SIG 550 for it being a sick badass that the government issues to its countrymen for homeland security(continued Swiss tradition)

There are plenty other assault rifles, eg special uppers for the AR15s and such, but they aren't service rifles....so....

All the while, and I didn't even mention one German gun...damn...
 
The next time i hear someone say....did that gun win any wars...im going to vomit.

I can think of 100000 guns that havent won any wars. That does not mean they suck. Do mg42's, Fg42's and STg-44's SUCK becaues they didnt win ww2? NO, they were the basis for many modern firearms, if they sucked so bad, then why did so many people copy them!? Did the M16 win vietnam? NO, it had a rather shoddy reputation in Vietnam. Can i say it sucks because it lost the war? NO, its an inane and stupidly ignorant statement at best.
How about your Sig550, has it won any wars? NO............blah blah blah

The list goes on. Stop saying a gun sucks because it hasnt won any wars.

Your enfield and your garand isnt special because it won the war. IF you REALLLY want to get pathetically technical regarding stuff like this. Most casualties in that war were from machine gun fire, discrediting most of your glorious ambitions that your division of 10 000 men was fighting their division of 10 000 men. With a couple MILLION bullets flying aroudn you had time to aim and kill of all the enemy yourself with your enfield because it had 5 more round in the mag and it was possibly slightly faster on the bolt. Didnt happen.

Enfield is better...but change the course of a war better...i think not.
Same this goes with the Garand. Better, but not enought ot change entire outcomes of battles. They were so close in performance i would completely discredit their merits entirely and instead put the entire weight of functionality on the shoulders fo the man using the weapon.

Im not biased towards any of those rifles, i think they are function on a relatively simliar level and are all FINE regardless of some petty function.

Looking on paper, was a p51 mustang fighter better than a FW-190a?

Possibly yes in some areas, negligible in some areas.... you could argue one has more firepower, one climbs better, one has a tighter turn radius, one has more range......
But most ww2 fighters were so similar in performance, the majority of who won laid in the hands of the pilot.

Get it? Stop flogging redundant ideas like this.
 
British Army (First Model) Long Land Pattern Brown Bess Flintlock Musket, and it's children, ruled the world for 120 years and won Britain it's empire.

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"Brown Bess"

In the days of lace-ruffles, perukes and brocade
Brown Bess was a partner whom none could despise--
An out-spoken, flinty-lipped, brazen-faced jade,
With a habit of looking men straight in the eyes--
At Blenheim and Ramillies fops would confess
They were pierced to the heart by the charms of Brown Bess.

Though her sight was not long and her weight was not small,
Yet her actions were winning, her language was clear;
And everyone bowed as she opened the ball
On the arm of some high-gaitered, grim grenadier.
Half Europe admitted the striking success
Of the dances and routs that were given by Brown Bess.

When ruffles were turned into stiff leather stocks,
And people wore pigtails instead of perukes,
Brown Bess never altered her iron-grey locks.
She knew she was valued for more than her looks.
"Oh, powder and patches was always my dress,
And I think am killing enough," said Brown Bess.

So she followed her red-coats, whatever they did,
From the heights of Quebec to the plains of Assaye,
From Gibraltar to Acre, Cape Town and Madrid,
And nothing about her was changed on the way;
(But most of the Empire which now we possess
Was won through those years by old-fashioned Brown Bess.)

In stubborn retreat or in stately advance,
From the Portugal coast to the cork-woods of Spain,
She had puzzled some excellent Marshals of France
Till none of them wanted to meet her again:
But later, near Brussels, Napoleon--no less--
Arranged for a Waterloo ball with Brown Bess.

She had danced till the dawn of that terrible day--
She danced till the dusk of more terrible night,
And before her linked squares his battalions gave way,
And her long fierce quadrilles put his lancers to flight:
And when his gilt carriage drove off in the press,
"I have danced my last dance for the world!" said Brown Bess.

If you go to Museums--there's one in Whitehall--
Where old weapons are shown with their names writ beneath,
You will find her, upstanding, her back to the wall,
As stiff as a ramrod, the flint in her teeth.
And if ever we English had reason to bless
Any arm save our mothers', that arm is Brown Bess!

Rudyard Kipling

SW
 
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